[Signing] Flames sign Kadri (7 years, $7m AAV)

[jayswin]

Hell I was annoyed by BurningBeard's constant pestering and comments towards posters that weren't happy and letting it show all season, like he was relentless.

But I also laughed at a lot of his comments too, and didn't get mad overall. And now at this point in the year his positivity actually rubbed off me and I decided to stop being frustrated and just watch and cheer for that final playoff spot.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think the Kadris and Huberdeaus would both be better if each of them had a Coleman on their line.

Coleman is 140th in forward salary and 95th in five on five points.

If you could have three of them, you fit them in.

I'll agree that Coleman isn't a problem, but you definitely don't want three of him in the lineup.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Hell I was annoyed by BurningBeard's constant pestering and comments towards posters that weren't happy and letting it show all season, like he was relentless.

But I also laughed at a lot of his comments too, and didn't get mad overall. And now at this point in the year his positivity actually rubbed off me and I decided to stop being frustrated and just watch and cheer for that final playoff spot.

I have to admit for a relatively new poster he's really charges hard at posters to whom he doesn't agree with and spends far too much time focusing on what others have to say. I wish he would spend more time posting his opinions and less time critiquing the opinions of others. The whole positive fan vs negative fan sidetracking of threads is so played out and annoying.

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He has a full no move clause, so he goes no where unless he agrees.

I hate these no move clauses, but IF the player comes to you and asks to be moved, the no move/no trade clause should go out the window.

You want out, you go where I get the best value, period. Or you give me a 5 team no trade list.

[OutOfTheCube]

I remember nobody liked what I had to say in this thread on Sep. 1st...

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I think it’s a bad contract but it’s also Treliving’s favorite type of guy to go for — older UFA, coming off of career year being on the second or third line of a Stanley Cup champion — except this time it’s for twice as much money and twice as long as usual.

The Flames are betting an extraordinary amount of continuing success on older players who have never played a game for them. I think the time would’ve been right to go into a rebuild.

Nailed it.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by GFG#1

I hate these no move clauses, but IF the player comes to you and asks to be moved, the no move/no trade clause should go out the window.

You want out, you go where I get the best value, period. Or you give me a 5 team no trade list.

Im sure if a player with NMC does ask to be moved they would give a list of teams they are or aren't willing to go to. Not sure why it would have to be anywhere or only a 5 team no trade.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have to admit for a relatively new poster he's really charges hard at posters to whom he doesn't agree with and spends far too much time focusing on what others have to say. I wish he would spend more time posting his opinions and less time critiquing the opinions of others. The whole positive fan vs negative fan sidetracking of threads is so played out and annoying.

Seems like you always focus on what I have to say and charge at me too bud

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have to admit for a relatively new poster he's really charges hard at posters to whom he doesn't agree with and spends far too much time focusing on what others have to say. I wish he would spend more time posting his opinions and less time critiquing the opinions of others. The whole positive fan vs negative fan sidetracking of threads is so played out and annoying.

Yep. And yeah agreed on BurningBeard's relentless pursuit of calling out every single negative thing said. It was tiring throughout the year. But the thing is he's actually hilarious and awesome when he's just posting in general, I bias towards liking funny/witty posters regardless of what "side" they're on or what they believe in.

[Johnny Makarov]

Kadri's true value is in the playoffs when he injures the starting goalie of the other team.

That does jack squat for us if we don't make it into the playoffs...

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I remember nobody liked what I had to say in this thread on Sep. 1st...



Nailed it.

Tree is certainly a wizard.

At summoning terrible contracts.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GFG#1

I hate these no move clauses, but IF the player comes to you and asks to be moved, the no move/no trade clause should go out the window.

You want out, you go where I get the best value, period. Or you give me a 5 team no trade list.

If you have a NMC, you can soften it to whatever extent you want. Or not at all.

If a player desperately wants out, he'll soften it to a much higher extent than if it's the team who desperately wants you gone. It's strictly up to a re-negotiation at that time based on the particular facts.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have to admit for a relatively new poster he's really charges hard at posters to whom he doesn't agree with and spends far too much time focusing on what others have to say. I wish he would spend more time posting his opinions and less time critiquing the opinions of others. The whole positive fan vs negative fan sidetracking of threads is so played out and annoying.

Maybe you should lay out your rules since you're so clear cut on what others should do!

We're all negative. That game sucked.

But it's a little annoying to have to deal with your own disappointment while also having to argue with those that want you to feel worse.

Not sure the opposite happens when they win. Do people want to feel negative and are annoyed that they can't? Feel slightly positive and are feeling pressure to be in utopia?

[FlamesAddiction]

I am not thrilled with Kadri's play in the latter half of this season, but if I was to rank the problems with this team, I don't think he would even be in my top 5 overall. Top 5 since the all-star break maybe, but over the course of the season, I don't think so.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I remember nobody liked what I had to say in this thread on Sep. 1st...

Nailed it.

I mean you can take a victory lap if you want but I don't think many people loved the contract. It was just an acceptance the Flames weren't going to rebuild and people hoping the contract would be decent for the first 3-4 years.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Anyone worrying about the last few years of this deal are missing the point.

This is about now. This is about responding to getting destroyed by McDavid in the playoffs.

This is absolutely awesome.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I remember nobody liked what I had to say in this thread on Sep. 1st...



Nailed it.

You were right about the player and bad habits of the GM but I think most fans would agree with you that a rebuild is probably the best course for this team but the reality is even if the GM feels that way, he has to answer to an owner that has been historically opposed to rebuilding. It doesn't matter how good of a GM the Flames have as he's largely set up to fail by Edwards. The structure set up by Edwards is that you have to win now which means you have to draft better in the teens or 20's than teams picking top 10 (extremely difficult if impossible), you have to win every single trade (impossible), and nail every free agent signing (impossible). Since there's no reset button with Edwards, the GM is doomed to continue the cycle of the GM trying to attempt the impossible. The few elite players this organization has had over the past two decades are Iginla (astute trade), Kipper (lucky trade), Gaudreau (astute draft pick) and Tkachuk (the one time where the owner briefly accepted a rebuild). It's pretty clear the only reliable way to get elite talent is to rebuild as there's just too much luck and chance with the other options and it's largely led to the Flames being one of the most mediocre NHL organizations over the past few decades and the current team and it's trajectory is steadfast fit that like a glove.

[Burning Beard]

One funny scenario would be if Kadri's poopy Pants routine gets Sutter fired and the team goes ahead with a rebuild as a result. Would he be happy with his whole contract playing out on a tank team? Kinda like a monkeys paw scenario. At least we won't be bored if they miss the playoffs this offseason.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He has a full no move clause, so he goes no where unless he agrees.

Ah. Sigh. Thanks.

Then the only option is to bench him regularly but bag skate him every frickin' day until he quits?

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He has a full no move clause, so he goes no where unless he agrees.

The question starts becoming whether or not the Flames are willing to retain salary, consider a buyout or accept another bad contract back in a trade moreso than whether or not Kadri wants to waive.

You can almost guarantee that he's going to be open to a move after this last half of the season and the potential of another year under Sutter. You can't have the player back in the fold if he's pulling this again next season. It's at the point now where it is blatantly obvious that he's quit on the team and not just a case of a bad game or bad play.

A team and fans can accept a bad season to a degree, but when you have the season on the line and you are basically going through the motions and bailing on very critical plays that end up costing the team games, it's time to cut bait with the player and move on.

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Im sure if a player with NMC does ask to be moved they would give a list of teams they are or aren't willing to go to. Not sure why it would have to be anywhere or only a 5 team no trade.

IMO a no move clause means I can't move you without getting you to waive it. If you come to me asking for a trade, that means you are waiving your no move/no trade clause. As a GM I should not be hindered in getting the best possible value for you.

They may tell you 5 or 6 teams they are willing to go to, you work out what you believe is the best deal for your team, go to the player and they say well that was really my 5th choice team and I don't really want to go there, so nah.
Think Patrick Kane, literally only wanted to go to the Rangers. I am confident that the Hawks could have got a way better return if they could have traded him to any team in contention. Oilers would have paid a mint. Iggy nixed a trade, it happens all the time.

If you want out, then you are waiving the clause, no way they should get to control their destiny if that is the case. You gave them that option so you couldn't just uproot them. Now they give up on your team, want a change of scenery, you go wherever, it benefits the team the most. Letting them give me a 5 team no trade is being considerate of them.