The short version is apparently a 3rd party solicitor for political donations, who in previous elections worked as a fundraiser for the Liberals, now works for the CPC. He allegedly failed to mention that when soliciting donations this time around from people who he received donations from last time.
I don't think there is a smoking gun pointing to the CPC party, but it's this sort of thing (if the allegations are true) that really hurts my faith in the democratic system.
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And let me just say, as a second-tier citizen, thank goodness for that.
Do I misunderstand? Or am I 'wrong' in thinking that revoking the citizenship of convicted terrorists reasonable?
The way I understand it, unless you are engaged in and/or were convicted of terrorism, high treason, treason or spying - there is no issue at all with the changes to the citizenship act.
Do I misunderstand? Or am I 'wrong' in thinking that revoking the citizenship of convicted terrorists reasonable?
The way I understand it, unless you are engaged in and/or were convicted of terrorism, high treason, treason or spying - there is no issue at all with the changes to the citizenship act.
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The act became law in June 2014. While several elements of the law remain controversial, a provision that came into effect in May of this year expands the grounds on which the federal government can strip dual nationals of their Canadian citizenship, even if they were born in Canada.
The provision gives the power to revoke citizenship, in some cases, to elected officials and not a federal court.
That last part is the real issue. That is far too much power to give any government, especially one as secretive and manipulative as Harper's
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The problem is that if you're wrongfully convicted, you might be much better off being wrongfully convicted and Canadian than wrongfully convicted wherever else you might hold citizenship.
Heck, you might even say that for people who have been rightfully convicted.
What happens if other countries have laws like ours and both renounce you?
And if someone actually is a threat to national security, aren't we better off holding them within our systems than renouncing them? If that's not the case, then surely there are better ways to address it.
So, wouldn't it be better to put a decision like this in the hands of the court system rather than scrap it completely?
Maybe. My bigger problem is that Harper seems really really concerned about terrorism and while I think those are issues, they are not really the concerns this government should be focusing on.
The Conservatives are my only economic choice right now but I pretty much hate them.
Maybe. My bigger problem is that Harper seems really really concerned about terrorism and while I think those are issues, they are not really the concerns this government should be focusing on.
The Conservatives are my only economic choice right now but I pretty much hate them.
You have a greater chance of being struck by lightning than being a victim of a terrorist attack in Canada, Harper making that one of his primary platforms is laughable. And wanting to commit more troops and resources in Iraq to fight ISIS is ridiculous, it will accomplish nothing. Canada punched far above our weight in Afghanistan, losing 158 soldiers and for what? It doesn't seem to be any better over there than before we got involved, so what did those soldiers die for exactly? Same crap will happen in Iraq, and we should have no part in it
To protect American opium cartels and trade routes is why they were in Afghanistan, at least that's the most likely answer because it's the only thing coalition troops really succeeded at. The alphabet boys got their hands real dirty over there.
You have a greater chance of being struck by lightning than being a victim of a terrorist attack in Canada, Harper making that one of his primary platforms is laughable. And wanting to commit more troops and resources in Iraq to fight ISIS is ridiculous, it will accomplish nothing. Canada punched far above our weight in Afghanistan, losing 158 soldiers and for what? It doesn't seem to be any better over there than before we got involved, so what did those soldiers die for exactly? Same crap will happen in Iraq, and we should have no part in it
Meh. You probably also have a better chance of being struck by lightning than being impacted at all by Bill C51 unless you are selling babies or bomb making kits online, but many are making that a hill to die on attacking the CPC (& Libs) from the NDP side. It's all a part of politics and most of this stuff being proposed by any of the 3 parties wont affect any of us in our daily lives either.
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Meh. You probably also have a better chance of being struck by lightning than being impacted at all by Bill C51 unless you are selling babies or bomb making kits online, but many are making that a hill to die on attacking the CPC (& Libs) from the NDP side. It's all a part of politics and most of this stuff being proposed by any of the 3 parties wont affect any of us in our daily lives either.
Not voting for a particular political party is hardly choosing "a hill to die on". You make it sound like it's a life or death situation to vote Conservative or not.
Meh. You probably also have a better chance of being struck by lightning than being impacted at all by Bill C51 unless you are selling babies or bomb making kits online, but many are making that a hill to die on attacking the CPC (& Libs) from the NDP side. It's all a part of politics and most of this stuff being proposed by any of the 3 parties wont affect any of us in our daily lives either.
Sure, but its C-51, Marijuana, mandatory minimums (and all the other tough on crime bull####), policy on ISIS, Citizenship, Fair Elections Act and all of those hills start to resemble a mountain.
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Policy on ISIS is not a winning issue for the Liberals.
There are some acts so heinous that they beg for international intervention. ISIS will go down as the worst atrocities of the generation.
For those saying that we should not be addressing ISIS, i've asked this question before in the thread without any takers - is there a threshold of depravity which so offends Canadian values that ISIS could cross to have you change your mind? If so, what is it? (I'd really like to know, because in my mind they've long since crossed it).
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Policy on ISIS is not a winning issue for the Liberals.
There are some acts so heinous that they beg for international intervention. ISIS will go down as the worst atrocities of the generation.
For those saying that we should not be addressing ISIS, i've asked this question before in the thread without any takers - is there a threshold of depravity which so offends Canadian values that ISIS could cross to have you change your mind? If so, what is it? (I'd really like to know, because in my mind they've long since crossed it).
There has seemed to be a boogie man or two always on the world stage. Currently it's ISIS before that it was Idi Amin and I'm sure we can find others such as Kim Jong-il, Mobutu, Saddam Hussein, Duvalier, Pinochet, Pol Pot, Stalin, and Hitler. Except for the last two, none of these were a real threat to us.
Sure address ISIS in some way but the Conservatives are using it as a fear mongering way to get votes.
Policy on ISIS is not a winning issue for the Liberals.
There are some acts so heinous that they beg for international intervention. ISIS will go down as the worst atrocities of the generation.
For those saying that we should not be addressing ISIS, i've asked this question before in the thread without any takers - is there a threshold of depravity which so offends Canadian values that ISIS could cross to have you change your mind? If so, what is it? (I'd really like to know, because in my mind they've long since crossed it).
So say we fight ISIS full force, and as part of a coalition manage to weaken their leadership structure enough to no longer consider them a threat, what do you do then? We've already seen what happens when we just pull out and go home, that's how ISIS started in the first place. And if you try to stay and stabilize the region, you end up in an endless guerrilla war like in Afghanistan, costing thousands of lives and billions of dollars with no tangible reward
But then what about the other regions of the world with equally terrible human rights abuses? There are groups all over Africa committing far worse atrocities than ISIS, yet no world leaders seem to be concerned with intervening. North Korea is an entire nation state of abuse that we turn a blind eye to. And then of course there's the primary reason why groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda exist, Saudi Arabia. Not only are we not doing anything about their horrific abuse of innocent people and terrorism funding campaigns, we're actively allying with them and selling them the means to continue their savagery. So don't give me that garbage about ISIS being some special brand of evil that we've never seen before that needs to be dealt with, because that's just propaganda
There has seemed to be a boogie man or two always on the world stage. Currently it's ISIS before that it was Idi Amin and I'm sure we can find others such as Kim Jong-il, Mobutu, Saddam Hussein, Duvalier, Pinochet, Pol Pot, Stalin, and Hitler. Except for the last two, none of these were a real threat to us.
Sure address ISIS in some waybut the Conservatives are using it as a fear mongering way to get votes.
agreed with the bold.
however I disagree that the only time we should intervene is if there is a threat to us. I dont think we should be passive participants in the global human rights movement.
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