Stabbing in Brentwood-5 Dead, 1 Arrested

[polak]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Calm down, it's a case by case basis.

Did you get worked up about them having to have a trial as well?

What?

Murder = High Risk. NCR or Guilty doesn't matter he still killed the people.

####ing common sense 101.

[llwhiteoutll]

Glad to see polak has reviewed the case history and has the qualifications to understand the legal and medical requirements for a high risk designation.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by polak

What?

Murder = High Risk. NCR or Guilty doesn't matter he still killed the people.

####ing common sense 101.

Weird, last time I checked that's not how they classify if someone is high risk or not?

[polak]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

Glad to see polak has reviewed the case history and has the qualifications to understand the legal and medical requirements for a high risk designation.

I don't need to read anything to be outraged that someone who murdered a person in a fit of insanity isn't automatically labelled as high risk.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by polak

I don't need to read anything to be outraged that someone who murdered a person in a fit of insanity isn't automatically labelled as high risk.

You can be outraged and still try to inform yourself, there is nothing wrong with being educated on a topic. Or you can continue to be outraged and sound like you have no idea what you're talking about.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Wait do you think he gets to stroll out of there today?

I doubt that is the case.

Wait, do you think he's a werefolf and shouldn't face punishment?

[EldrickOnIce]

A case like the Guy Turcotte one should give me more faith/peace with NCR verdicts, not less.
Right?
Wrong?

[polak]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

You can be outraged and still try to inform yourself, there is nothing wrong with being educated on a topic. Or you can continue to be outraged and sound like you have no idea what you're talking about.

There is not a single way that you can explain this situation to me which will make me believe that anyone who committed a murder in a fit of insanity shouldn't automatically receive the maximum "Risk" label.

Again, I'm okay with the idea of him eventually being reintegrated into society if he has shown to be healthy, stable and is kept in regular review (ish, this case is extremely pushing that belief) but I expect him to have to be treated with the highest extent of caution and skepticism while that decision is made. There shouldn't be "another level" of testing that this guy or anyone else that was deemed NCR for murder doesn't have to do.

Can you name one scenario where a person would be more "High Risk" than someone who is capable of performing the most violent and brutal act a person can do (murder) without discretion in a psychotic episode? I mean once your illness crosses that line where you're killing people, I think you've ticked all the boxes. Jesus.

[northcrunk]

I'm quite surprised how many people on here are willing to explain DeGroods actions away and excuse them. Then jump on anyone who disagrees with them and thinks DeGrood should not see the light of day. Mental illness or not if you kill someone (or 5 people) you should probably not be released into the public.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by polak

There is not a single way that you can explain this situation to me which will make me believe that anyone who committed a murder in a fit of insanity shouldn't automatically receive the maximum "Risk" label.

Again, I'm okay with the idea of him eventually being reintegrated into society if he has shown to be healthy, stable and is kept in regular review but I expect him to have to be treated with the highest extent of caution and skepticism while that decision is made. There shouldn't be "another level" of testing that this guy or anyone else that was deemed NCR for murder doesn't have to do.

Can you name one scenario where a person would be more "High Risk" than someone who is capable of performing the most violent and brutal act a person can do (murder) without discretion in a psychotic episode?

No, I'm not even going to bother. You clearly have a different view of mental illness that isn't going to be conducive to conversation on the topic.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

No, I'm not even going to bother. You clearly have a different view of mental illness that isn't going to be conducive to conversation on the topic.

No, you mean to say my view isn't conducive with your side of the conversation on the topic.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by polak

No, you mean to say my view isn't conducive with your side of the conversation on the topic.

Or maybe it's just I don't feel like wasting more time and energy on you?

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Or maybe it's just I don't feel like wasting more time and energy on you?

I can't convince you to think like me so why bother, right? And of course "like you" means think the correct way obviously.

[The Ditch]

I don't find anything he is saying to be extremely egregious, I find it disgusting that we will spend magnitudes more public money on someone who stabbed 5 people to death then the families of the children who were murdered, that's messed up imo

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

I don't find anything he is saying to be extremely egregious, I find it disgusting that we will spend magnitudes more public money on someone who stabbed 5 people to death then the families of the children who were murdered, that's messed up imo

Just out of curiosity, what would be your solution?

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by polak

There is not a single way that you can explain this situation to me which will make me believe that anyone who committed a murder in a fit of insanity shouldn't automatically receive the maximum "Risk" label.

Again, I'm okay with the idea of him eventually being reintegrated into society if he has shown to be healthy, stable and is kept in regular review (ish, this case is extremely pushing that belief) but I expect him to have to be treated with the highest extent of caution and skepticism while that decision is made. There shouldn't be "another level" of testing that this guy or anyone else that was deemed NCR for murder doesn't have to do.

The Crown does a decent job of explaining it inna few of the news articles. Basically a high risk designation pushes reviews back to three year intervals instead of one year and puts a conditional or absolute discharge into the community in front of an additional judge.

As a society we've decided that taking someone's freedom has to be regulated and thus the need to apply for and prove the requirement for additional restrictions. How many people who are demanding more stringent restricts be automatic in this case were complaining about mandatory minimums a year or two ago?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by polak

There is not a single way that you can explain this situation to me which will make me believe that anyone who committed a murder in a fit of insanity shouldn't automatically receive the maximum "Risk" label.

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Can you name one scenario where a person would be more "High Risk" than someone who is capable of performing the most violent and brutal act a person can do (murder) without discretion in a psychotic episode? I mean once your illness crosses that line where you're killing people, I think you've ticked all the boxes. Jesus.

Originally Posted by Raekwon

I can't convince you to think like me so why bother, right? And of course "like you" means think the correct way obviously.

Ah yes, I should try and change his attitude on mental illness when he clearly states there is no way his opinion will change.

Mental illness is not a one size fits all type of thing and shouldn't be treated as such.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by polak

wtf they have to "APPLY" for him to be high ####ing risk!?!?!?!?!

That is the most ####ing stupid ####ing thing I've ever ####ing read in my entire ####ing life.

HE KILLED 5 ####ING PEOPLE.

NO ####ING #### HE IS HIGH RISK.

I've been slowly becoming okay with the Li situation and how he's been getting better and should have more freedom but after KILLING someone, there should be every single check and restriction possible on reintegration into society and he should have to pass every step with flying colors.

####ing ridiculous.

For someone who suffers from terrible hysteria your lack of empathy for mental illness is shocking.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Ne7en

Criminally responsible or not, Degrood should never be granted freedom.

Totally agree. That's how I feel and I don't and won't apologize for it. Freedom can mean many things but he needs to spend a significant amount of time in hospital.

[Ne7en]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

For someone who suffers from terrible hysteria your lack of empathy for mental illness is shocking.

5 people are dead. I'm shocked by your lack of empathy.