A Song of Ice and Fire **Spoilers** Now more TV talk!

[saillias]

lol. Show Tyrion killed Tywin in the name of gender equality. You called the woman I just killed a whore. Die, father.

I remember reading reports that Michelle Fairley actually took part in filming for a day this season. Turns out that was all BS unless they have a scene saved for season 5.

[19Yzerman19]

Which they might... thing is it literally would have taken two minutes of screen time, if that, to do the reveal in a way I (and apparently lots of others) thought would work fine. Just some brotherhood guys capturing Freys and bringing them before her, and her ordering them hanged. How good a season closing shot would that have been?

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

Yeah, the Cat thing was what everyone was expecting would be the closing scene of the season. Taking a broad survey of book reader comments I've seen, everyone's pretty irked that it wasn't put in. Now it appears that that whole plot point might be omitted from the show altogether

No, not everyone is irked. I'm glad they cut that garbage. Unfortunately I'm sure it will show up next season anyway.

[19Yzerman19]

You just wanted her to stay dead because it undermines the loss of the character and the power of the Red Wedding scene I guess? I can see where you're coming from on that.

[Bigtime]

Yeah I'm ok if they cut or play down the Stoneheart stuff in the next few seasons.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by photon

Yeah that's true.

Kind of disappointed they didn't put in the rest, Jamie admission about Tysha mostly, since that really really drives home the pure hatred for Tywin, sets fire to it. I guess maybe that's the part that I'm missing.

Leaving that out does set a possibility for a significant departure from the books too, Tyrion basically burns any relationship with Jamie to the ground, but the show leaves them ok, so if in the future Tyrion gets any revenge on them it can only be Cersei. Though I guess having that revelation come later can still have Tyrion hate them all.

I knew there was something missing in that scene, it just seemed so rushed. I also wish they would have included it all, really brings forth the hatred from Tyrion.

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

That and Jojen Reed dying are pretty big departures from the book. They've changed details from the books plenty of times before but to kill off a character that's still alive in the books is a pretty major shift. Guessing that Martin will have to kill him quickly in the next book as a result

I am assuming that Jojen dies in the next book which is why he was killed off now. Maybe this is the first spoiler for us book readers.

Ahh this is from the wiki:

Jojen falls into a resigned depression, wanting to go home to Greywater Watch. Meera implies while speaking with Bran that Jojen has had a greendream of his fate when he goes to Greywater Watch, and that the outcome is not good.[15]

[Ped]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I knew there was something missing in that scene, it just seemed so rushed. I also wish they would have included it all, really brings forth the hatred from Tyrion.



I am assuming that Jojen dies in the next book which is why he was killed off now. Maybe this is the first spoiler for us book readers.

Ahh this is from the wiki:

Said it earlier, but there's a theory that Jojen is already dead.

[djsFlames]

That would seriously suck if they omitted Stoneheart entirely. But given Fairley's silence on the matter and Lena Headey's little stone heart picture she tweeted (she also tweeted the pic with her fingers over Oberyn's eyes almost a year prior when they were shooting). I'm pretty sure LS will make a few appearances next season.

[saillias]

I'm glad they departed from the books with Jojen. Just one of 20+ convoluted plot lines GRRM refuses to wrap up in a conclusive manner. Smoke and mirrors, cliffhangers, red herrings. We are now at a point where the next GoT season is going to catch up to Martin's series. Hopefully the next book is succinct. I don't think I could read through another Brienne marching through the Riverlands arc or Tyrion stumbling around Essos repeating "where do whores go".

Now that I think about it, in between HBO, fans, his publisher, the man must be under enormous pressure to get that book done.

[WhiteTiger]

Some interesting comments from Alex Graves, from an Entertainment Weekly Radio interview:

After being asked if the show even shot a Lady Stoneheart scene — since so many book-reading fans assumed she would appear at the episode’s end – Graves replied, “It’s a great question, because it’s all I asked about last year when I was doing [the episode with Brotherhood Without Banners leader] Beric Dondarrion — who ultimately is the person who finds Catelyn and turns her into Lady Stoneheart. But no, they didn’t do it. It was never on the docket to do this season — ever.”

Graves continued: “They [showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss] have such a challenge adapting the books into a really focused television experience. It’s very hard, it’s very complicated, it’s much harder then they’ve been given credit for, I think — and they do a brilliant job. But to bring back Michelle Fairley, one of the greatest actresses around, to be a zombie for a little while — and just kill people? It is really sort of, what are we doing with that? How does it play into the whole story in a way that we’re really going to like? It just didn’t end up being a part of what was going to happen this season. And finally one [more] reason: In case you didn’t notice, a lot happens this season … To add that in is something they opted out of. But what’s funny is that it was never going to be in the season, yet it took off on the Internet like it was going to happen.”

We then asked Graves if there’s any chance of the Lady appearing next season. “As somebody who’s worked deep inside the show, begged to have an answer and wants more than anybody, I have no idea,” he said. “They won’t tell me. They’re very good at being secretive.”

Graves also suggested that The Hound will not be coming back after Arya left him to die on that hillside. “As far as The Hound, as I told the story … he’s gone. How is he going to survive that? The real point of it was that she walks away, it wasn’t that it’s left open ended.”

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by saillias

I'm glad they departed from the books with Jojen. Just one of 20+ convoluted plot lines GRRM refuses to wrap up in a conclusive manner. Smoke and mirrors, cliffhangers, red herrings. We are now at a point where the next GoT season is going to catch up to Martin's series. Hopefully the next book is succinct. I don't think I could read through another Brienne marching through the Riverlands arc or Tyrion stumbling around Essos repeating "where do whores go".

Now that I think about it, in between HBO, fans, his publisher, the man must be under enormous pressure to get that book done.

The biggest problem with Brienne's story is that the whole time while she was looking for Sansa, the reader knew that she was nowhere close and was never going to find her. It made her whole storyline seem pointless and a chore to get through. At least with what they have done in the TV series, it brought some actual suspense to her arc. Probably one of the few areas where the show did it better than the book (for me at least).

[YYC in LAX]

I was disappointed Stoneheart didn't close out the season. I think TV viewers needed a cliffhanger.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Ark2

The biggest problem with Brienne's story is that the whole time while she was looking for Sansa, the reader knew that she was nowhere close and was never going to find her. It made her whole storyline seem pointless and a chore to get through. At least with what they have done in the TV series, it brought some actual suspense to her arc. Probably one of the few areas where the show did it better than the book (for me at least).

The show has done quite a few things better than the books. Arya being Tywin's servant girl was never in the books but is easily one of best parts of the entire series. And in the Red Wedding the show had the balls to kick it off by killing Rob's pregnant wife, it was much more brutal than the books. I also like how they got Bran to the Children far quicker than Martin did, aside from the Brienne chapters that you mentioned those were easily the most boring in the series

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

The show has done quite a few things better than the books.

Yeah, the guys writing it for the show have a much better sense of pacing than Martin does.

[d_phaneuf]

I dont see them cutting LSH, they have made Brienne such a major character and adding that she let Arya slip through her fingers cuts part of aFoC for her in half

I thought LSH would be in last night but it does make sense to hold it back further, she appears at the end of aSoS and then not again until the end of aFoC unless I remember incorrectly

my new guess (every other LSH guess has been wrong so far)

Spoiler!

it could be a 2nd/3rd episode reveal

has Brienne/Pod held captive a few episodes later, and then late in the season maybe even episode 10 is Brienne going to Jaime and saying he must come with her

[Sr. Mints]

The lack of Lady Stoneheart in the finale really ticked me off. I was totally expecting it, and would have made the perfect mind#### of a cliffhanger.

[djsFlames]

There is also an interesting rumour circulating that Stoneheart will end up being the one to resurrect Jon Snow (in poetic fashion), and he'll come back to be Azor Ahai. It would almost make sense in a way, and thus would require her to have a part in future seasons as she would play an integral part in Jon's plot.

[Tinordi]

It will be interesting to see how the writers depart the show from the books as basically nothing happens in the story from this point on.

We'll get alot of the Iron born next season obviously. We'll get the slow trod to Winterfell. We'll get Tyrion fighting the greyscale apes. Hopefully John Connaughton will be completely cut out. And we'll get White Harbour. But in terms of big set pieces or tantalizing cliff hangers and intrigue, we're done for.

[djsFlames]

With the information George has given them, I'm thinking they might give audiences bits from beyond the written novels in order to keep things interesting. Maybe the fate of a character that only the writers know about comes a little early to stir things up a bit. Maybe some slight deviations like the Brienne and Hound face off. Really next season could have everyone on their toes, book readers and show watchers.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

There is also an interesting rumour circulating that Stoneheart will end up being the one to resurrect Jon Snow (in poetic fashion), and he'll come back to be Azor Ahai. It would almost make sense in a way, and thus would require her to have a part in future seasons as she would play an integral part in Jon's plot.

Between Jon's death and the long ass journey to the wall for resurrection, Jon's body will be in worse shape than Cat's was.