He also has shown great chemistry with Gaudreau and Monahan. I think his passing and hockey sense is really underrated.
I might be convinced his passing is good. But his hockey sense is bad. sooooooo very bad. Gawking elsewhere most of the time than where the play is, Getting to the right spot is an adventure for him a lot. Actually, let's say in transition he may be the worst player on the Flames.
I just don't understand the defense of Ferland. He's a bottom six winger. That's it, that's all.
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I might be convinced his passing is good. But his hockey sense is bad. sooooooo very bad. Gawking elsewhere most of the time than where the play is, Getting to the right spot is an adventure for him a lot. Actually, let's say in transition he may be the worst player on the Flames.
I don't buy that. I'm not sure you can have really bad hockey sense and make this kind of play:
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I think that is where he is best suited as well, however the comment that started this Ferland discussion was around who is more offensively gifted.
Well, looking at Froliks 3 seasons with the Flames, he's out produced Ferland by a margin. 42g, 59a, 101p for Frolik. Meanwhile 40g, 44a, 88p for Ferland. So.......Frolik is the better offensive contributor?
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Also regarding Kapanen, let's not forget his dad was kind of a late bloomer. He was a bottom six guy early on his career, just like Kasperi is right now, but became a very good top six winger in his prime. Also wore a letter for the Flyers.
Kasperi played on the 4th line all season once he was called up. He gets very low minutes, PK time and no PP time.
Now that JVR and Komarov are gone he can move up the lineup.
I don't see the Leafs moving him because next season he will be filling holes.in the Top 9.
Kid has huge potential as an all-around player. Great on the defensive end already with big upside on the offensive end once he has some better players playing with him.
Frolik did not have a good year this season and hopefully not in decline. But given a wingers spot with Gaudreau and Monahan and less defensive responsibility, could he produce as Ferland did this year? He doesn’t have as good a shot, no debate there.
Ferland can skate, hit, shoot, and pass. The problem is he can't seem to put them all together at the same time consistently. That's impressive potential, even if it's never realized...
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I might be convinced his passing is good. But his hockey sense is bad. sooooooo very bad. Gawking elsewhere most of the time than where the play is, Getting to the right spot is an adventure for him a lot. Actually, let's say in transition he may be the worst player on the Flames.
I just don't understand the defense of Ferland. He's a bottom six winger. That's it, that's all.
I disagree. I believe Ferland has some of the best hockey sense on this team.
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Ferland definitely added more value to the team this year than Frolik. Part of his reduced production the last 30 games was due to Monahans injuries which impacted the effectiveness of the whole line. Bennett should be moved to the 2nd line with Tkachuk and Backlund and Frolik moved to the third line with Jankowski.
Well, looking at Froliks 3 seasons with the Flames, he's out produced Ferland by a margin. 42g, 59a, 101p for Frolik. Meanwhile 40g, 44a, 88p for Ferland. So.......Frolik is the better offensive contributor?
Not a valid comparison as the first 2 years of the past 3 Ferland was playing on lines 3 and 4, while Frolik has always played on the 2nd line.
He also has shown great chemistry with Gaudreau and Monahan. I think his passing and hockey sense is really underrated.
His assist total does not reflect his passing. I would argue playing with the calibre of players mony and johnny are, they inflate his production. Ferland is still valuable but he needs to hit way more. I believe he was one of the players tre accused of having no heart and just wanting to pump his own stats up. IMO of course.
Ferly sticks up for Johnny. Remember how much abuse he took before Ferly was on that line? Pound for pound he is one of the toughest.
Can you provide examples of this? Not necessarily doubting you but I just can’t think of any instances where he stood up for anyone. Hamonic did. But outside the Canucks series I can’t think of too many times he stuck up for teammates despite his size and supposed strength. .
To me, Ferland is hugely overrated here and belongs on the 3rd line.
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Toronto's position of Strength is 105 pts 49 wins. They did that with a lot of players under 25. They have guys ready to move up that have shown they are NHL calibre players... That is a position of strength.
They should not be in a panic to make improvements.. Their first option is to go with the guys that got them 49 wins.
They are losing UFA's JVR , Bozak, Komorav , Moore, Polak and rental Plekanec.
Signed for next Year, (5) Kadri, Marleau, , Hyman, Connor Brown And Matt Martin.
With Mathews, Marner and Nylander they have 6 returning forward who played top-6 minutes.
They have all 4 of their top-4 d-men coming back
Their #5-7 for 2018-19 Dermott, Carrick Brown and Borgman played 30+ games and had a bigger role in games they played than Kulak had with the Flames.
They can go into next year expecting to make the playoffs with the players they currently have.
You have two or three Toronto medai / bloggers out there listing targets for right handed shooting defensemen, and both have suggested Hamilton.
This isn't a city or a team that is coming back with the same defense core.
The Leafs like the Flames don't have to make a deal, but to suggest status quo is an option or likely in Toronto is literally missing the whole point of the recent rumours.
They want to upgrade their defense.
They have excess right shooting wingers
The Flames want to upgrade their top six.
They have excess defensemen.
Neither team has to deal, but to suggest Toronto is in the driver seat of this is silly.
I think Ricrado's arguing that the Leafs are a good young team who can perhaps still improve from within as their young guys get better. Which would mean they shouldn't be desperate to make a trade.
Anyway back to the Flames. I don't want the Flames desperate to make a trade either.
But the whole dealing from a position of strength is a bit of a fallacy. If you have assets that other teams covet, then you are in a good position. It was widely known that guys like Drouin and Hamonic wanted out, and their GM's made out OK since they were players that team coveted. I am not nearly as sure as many of the people posting here as to what the market is like for the Flames defensemen.
And if that's the case you back away.
If I'm Treliving I look at this top to bottom. I don't let any GM get me into a "you need to trade Brodie" conversation. He has depth. He can move a top defensemen if he likes the return. If he doesn't he can shift his focus elsewhere to deals like the emerging prospect for prospect deal to shift some balance within the organization.
Ultimately they need to assess the timeline for the big four.
They won't all pan out, but the sooner they choose the pecking order of who will and when the better.
If they feel that Valimaki and Andersson will make the team (I doubt they are that confident with Valimaki yet) then they have to make some room. If it's only Andersson they can leave the defense core and see how camp shakes out.
They don't have to deal if teams set it up as a fire sale and try to wait them out.
-Mangiapane (LW, C), Foo (RW), Dube (C), Gawdin (RW, darkhorse), Phillipps (RW, extreme darkhorse) may all push for spots. However, I don't feel like betting on Foo, Gawdin or Phillipps to play in the 1RW position.
Peters is about pairs so you can logically assume Gaudreau - Monahan but then it's really up in the air.
Tkachuk is firmly in pair two and I'd assume he's with Backlund.
Then I guess you have Bennett and Jankowski as the starting point, and where the weakness lies.
I think the Flames need a new forward to make one of Bennett or Jankowski a plug in player and not a primary two. With that I think the likes of Ferland, Bennett/Jankowski, Frolik, Foo, Mangiapane are more than enough options to round out the duos.
The issue is the trickle down needed to get one of the third line guys to plug players and away from primary. I don't think it has to be an elite right wing, but it had better be a primary top nine.
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If the Leafs can improve their defence from within, then sure, they shouldn't trade good young contract controllable forwards. But the fact they made a big jump in their fortunes doesn't automatically put them in a position of strength if they need a position filled. So the question is about their system's depth at defence. And the feeling is that, just like Edmonton, they lack defensive prowess. If that's wrong, then there's no trade to be had.
If the Flames wanted to trade Hamonic to them, there would be a really good ask, because they just don't have that quality of defensive defenceman. But, aside from Gio, neither do the Flames. And Gio isn't getting younger.
I mean to this point Sam Bennett has been a bust disappointment. 4th overall pick who has been outplayed by the lots some players taken after him. While not really having shown much huge progress. Kapanen was taken 22nd which means it's expected to take time for him to make a mark at the NHL level if he ever does.
I'm good with Bennett being an issue, he hasn't become the upper roster player to this point that many us had assumed when he was picked
He's not a bust.
Here is a re-draft, Bennett is 8th. He's not a bust Re-Draft
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