2009 NFL Off Season Thread - Page 61 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Sainters7 · 07-03-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pagal4321

The 06 draft OVERALL I think was alot deeper than the 07 draft. They hyped up first round picks haven't panned out AT all. Bush, Young, D'Brick, Vernon Davis, Michael Huff....all complete flops, in my opinion. I think it's funny that Mario Williams has made a pro-bowl and Bush has not. Really shows that a huge gamble by Houston paid off in the end, as they got Slaton eventually, who seems to be a great player.

But there are very solid players taken everywhere from the first to the seventh in the 06 draft. DeMeco Ryans in Round 2 is a stud, Youboty and Spitz in Round 3 are starters for their team, Leon Washington, Brandon Marshall, Max Jean-Gillies and Owen Daniels in Round 4? Marques Colston in the 7th? Just crazyness as to how deep that draft was.

Oh definitely, I was just referring to the supposed cream of the crop in that draft, ie Leinart, Young, Bush, Brick, Davis, Huff, etc. It was supposed to be the next generation of superstars, and its clearly not been that. Meanwhile the experts didn't really have anyone in '07 targeted as a surefire superstar, and look how its turned out.

Being a Saints fan, for the record I still think Bush can be a Pro Bowl player, I mean the guy was leading the league in TD's before he went down to injury. But he's obviously not the Adrian Peterson-mixed-with-Jesus player the media declared he'd be in the spring of '06. And it's also clear now that Mario Williams was the correct pick. Dude is a monster. Can you imagine if they had selected VY over him?

Bobblehead · 07-04-2009, 01:23 PM

I always go back to this, but I wonder how some of these "busts" would have done in other organizations.

Vernon Davis has been classified a bust, but the 49er coaches have been happy with him because of his strength they have turned him into a blocking TE. The issue is you don't draft blocking TEs that high in the first round. The team says they want to get him ore involved in the passing game, but they said that last year, too. Singletary got in Davis' grill last year, and it seems to have paid off so far this year, with Davis being a model team player.

And this draft, teh 49ers drafted TE Bear Pascoe, whom they said they want to be a blocking TE and let them groom Davis into more of the catching TE. But in the OTAs so far Pascoe has been a revelation as far as pass catching goes, snagging almost everything throne in his area. I'm wondering if there isn't a bit of possom going on, with Pascoe and Davis each blocking or catching so other teams can't guess. But that will probably be dictated by how well the O-Line can give the QB time.

OILFAN #81 · 07-04-2009, 02:59 PM

Steve McNair was found shot and killed along with another woman in Nashville on Saturday. RIP Steve. He should be in the Hall of Fame. 3 time pro bowler, 1 time NFL MVP.

Machiavelli · 07-04-2009, 02:59 PM

http://tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=283724

Geez OILFAN, you're more addicted to CP than I am.

mykalberta · 07-04-2009, 06:48 PM

Hate to speculate on these thing so I wont.

Air McNair, wowzers.

Not sure if I think he deserves HOF consideration IMO.

OILFAN #81 · 07-08-2009, 12:29 PM

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayto...es-195528.html

OchoCinco plans to tweet during games, lol.

Jesse834 · 07-09-2009, 12:52 PM

There is a rape investigation at the home of Falcons WR Harry Douglass, he is not considered a suspect. http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/spor..._Falcon_070909
A judge has blocked the plans to suspended Pat and Kevin Williams for violating the league's anti-doping policy, a move their lawyer said should let them start the season. http://tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=284185

Jesse834 · 07-09-2009, 01:43 PM

Haynesworth pleads no contest reckless driving charge http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html
Bruce Smith convicted with DUI http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html

Clever_Iggy · 07-09-2009, 01:58 PM

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Haynesworth pleads no contest reckless driving charge http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html
Bruce Smith convicted with DUI http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html

None of your links work.

Pagal4321 · 07-09-2009, 02:10 PM

Williams Walls Avoid Suspension, for now

Bruce Smith charged with DUI

NFLPA & Yahoo settle fantasy lawsuit

transplant99 · 07-09-2009, 04:40 PM

Just how screwed up are the Dallas Cowboys?

Well, last year we had the NFL's sack leader HIDING from coaches so others could get playing time.

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"It's a disgrace when DeMarcus Ware comes off the field just so I can get in the game and when the coaches tell him to come on the field, he tries to hide so I can play," Ellis said on Irvin's show. "And you're telling me we're trying to win the Super Bowl?"

Can you say dysfunctional?

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"On his own. He would say, 'G, come on.' And I would tell him, 'No, DeMarcus, go ahead, man. You're coming up on your contract year. Don't mess that stuff up. Go ahead and do you, and we're just going to do what the coaches, or whoever the powers that be, what they want to do.'

Wade Phillips has ZERO control of that club....wow.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4316014

Machiavelli · 07-09-2009, 04:49 PM

And still T.O. will be blamed.

transplant99 · 07-09-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Machiavelli

And still T.O. will be blamed.

he was certainly part of the problem, no doubt, along with the Pacman fiasco and the questionable signing of (bad character defined) Tank Johnson.

However, all this really boils down to Wade philips inability to run a team properly, and even moreso Jerry Jones being the biggest ego in the NFL and allowing things like this to happen, if not downright making them happen.

What a circus.

Clever_Iggy · 07-09-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Just how screwed up are the Dallas Cowboys?

Well, last year we had the NFL's sack leader HIDING from coaches so others could get playing time.

Can you say dysfunctional?

Wade Phillips has ZERO control of that club....wow.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4316014

Incredible. I read that earlier.

I wonder what Jerry Jones is thinking. That guy needs to get a disciplinarian in there to instill order and step away from the day-to-day involvement (from a coaching prospective).

burn_baby_burn · 07-09-2009, 05:02 PM

I think Jerry Jones just wants a puppet. Look who he had for coaches when his Cowboys were winning Super Bowls. Obviously egos clashed. Look who he has had since.

Clever_Iggy · 07-09-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

I think Jerry Jones just wants a puppet. Look who he had for coaches when his Cowboys were winning Super Bowls. Obviously egos clashed. Look who he has had since.

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Sainters7 · 07-14-2009, 09:54 AM

You can tell we're right in the dead of the off-season when this thread is almost at the bottom of page 1. This has got to be the worst time of the year for sports: the initial NHL UFA frenzy has subsided, and we're in the quiet period in the NFL between mini-camps and TC. Soo boring.

Just heard on Sirius that close friends of Favre are saying he still "has alot of doubts" about whether he wants to come back now. I seriously think he fully intends to come back, but he just doesn't want to do all the off-season stuff, like OTA's, mini-camps, TC, etc. He's said in the past a few times how much he dislikes it. I think that's the reason he stretches this crap out every year, just so he can get as much R&R in as possible before the season starts. I would be surprised if he's not in Viking purple in September.

Pagal4321 · 07-14-2009, 10:01 AM

I think Favre is trying to get more money from the Vikings, and you know what, it's going to work. Ugh.

burn_baby_burn · 07-14-2009, 11:51 AM

You would think that teams would try to make training camp more interesting for the veteran players. The on the field stuff and the workouts are a must for every player. But I think a lot of the veteran players hate the endless meetings about things they could pretty much do in their sleep. Also being away from their families and living in a college dorm for three weeks can't be that appealing either.

Now if Favres case this should be a whole different story. He is going to a new team with a new system. One would think that it would be to his benefit to come to all the off season workouts and training camp to properly prepare for the upcoming season. How cocky must one be to think that they can show up half way through the preseason in the toughest position in the sport on a new team with a new system and excel? Or is it all just about having a little bit of fun for good ole' Brett Favre? That really isn't fair to his teammates.

Bobblehead · 07-14-2009, 11:58 AM

Barry Switzer redux.

Jones gets in a strong coach, gives him the reins, and when the team comes together Jones gets too involved, which then sooner (Parcells) or later (Jimmy Johnson) drives away that successful coach. The Jones brings in someone who will cow-tow to his wishes and it all falls apart from the inside out.

If you want to bring in a bunch of "problem" players with huge talent, you need a coach who they respect or can intimidate them into staying on the straight an narrow during the season. There are only a few coaches who can do this, and Wade Phillips is not one of them.