[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by zamler

Has CP always had so many cry babies and I didn't realize it? Holy crap.

What do you mean cry babies? You don't think people should be upset to see their province go in a direction they don't agree with, and in ways that personally impacts them?
This isn't getting upset about a hockey game. This is real stuff.
I have no family doctor right now because mine is leaving the province because of the government.
That's real stuff.
So yeah people are upset.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

I like how everybody here acts like healthcare was all sunshine and rainbows under the last NDP provincial government.

If you want to fix healthcare in the province, I’d start by looking straight at AHS. There is so much low hanging fruit there it is unfit.

NDP had 4 years, and got a cancer centre built, better than anything the PC's had done in the past.

Seriously though, if there is so much low hanging fruit, why haven't any PC or UCP governments of the past plucked it? Why will this time be different? If it was so easy, why not start there...20 years ago?

[81MC]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

god dammit. The lower income people and financially struggling people are so screwed.

Uhm…

People who like clean water and nature and public facilities and their rights under the constitution and civil discourse and access to healthcare and the wildlife are so screwed.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Do you want me to speak to this one directly? And the "smoke and mirrors" that it actually is? The robbing peter to pay paul?

If its shallow optics you're after, you bet! Mission accomplished. I mean its the same amount of volume going into the hospitals as always, with the same amount of resources, the same amount of Nurses, Docs, beds, equipment. Guess where the wait ends up now? Oh yah, on the other side of the door....

As much as I selfishly like being able to just pick and drop off, its come at a cost to the rest of the system, which is now suffering worse than before, which is a cost to patients. Quicker forced discharges means higher rates of recidivism, poorer outcomes, no supports in the community for discharge. Continued overcrowding and understaffing of the acute care sites (and ours at EMS continues to be poor as well, again the facade of quick turnovers is what is holding it together like a frayed shoelace and some scotch tape).

She fixed nothing. She polished a very publicly contentious side of the system, and takes credit for fixing things.

I hate to tell you, but its going to require significantly more, in terms of recruitment, retention, and a renewed focus on public education.....but at that point how can you fault people for visiting emerg when family medicine has fallen apart and people can't get regular physicians or visits.

What a calamity, the balls on her for taking credit for that one

It's amazing how easily UCP voters are hoodwinked. I'd be embarrassed to be fooled so easily so often, but they celebrate it. We are being ruled by grifters who have perfect patsy supporting them.

[calf]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

I like how everybody here acts like healthcare was all sunshine and rainbows under the last NDP provincial government.

If you want to fix healthcare in the province, I’d start by looking straight at AHS. There is so much low hanging fruit there it is unfit.

The UCP actively made it worse though. Ripping up the contract with the AMA, constantly waiting to the last minute before implementing any sort of public health measures when covid hospitalizations were maxing out our facilities, doing sweet eff all when children's hospitals were filling up due to RSV last year. Doctors have been leaving in droves the last 4 years because of what they've done.

And you expect them to fix it now?

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

I like how everybody here acts like healthcare was all sunshine and rainbows under the last NDP provincial government.

If you want to fix healthcare in the province, I’d start by looking straight at AHS. There is so much low hanging fruit there it is unfit.

You've had some iteration of the UCP overlords running this province for all but 4 years in the last number of decades. What did you expect the NDP to accomplish during a massive oil crash when the government system they inherited was the one based on complete idiocy driven by years of mismanagement.

AB is currently spending less per student than every province in the country, and less than they were in 2012....let that sink in. I'm quite sure the story is the same for health care as well, but can bring myself to look that up. Just keep building the narrative that you should get better health care and education by going private.

We're supposed to buy that you can't possibly commit to excellent levels of funding, and clean up AHS and school board issues at the same time? This province is a joke simply because the people running it are a joke. You have billions of oil royalties coming in and you would rather toss the money at the Flames, needlessly building your own police force and pension, than you would taking care of your sick and children.

[RoadGame]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I voted NDP - first time in my life.

There was no way in this physical universe that I could vote for the party of Danielle Smith. She is a vile anti-science, anti-truth anti-democratic person who brings out the worst in our society. She's an extremist.

The NDP want to raise corporate tax rates? Good I say - Alberta's healthcare is in shambles. A dire need for ICU capacity.

I hate that Smith has been legitimized by this vote, but here we are. At least I didn't vote for her.

Where are the moderate conservatives within the UCP? How did they let this happen? Cowards.

In the party? They either chose not to run again or got TBA'd out.

Outside the party? Abstained, voted NDP or has a very narrow view of what matters. I know one UCP supporter who voted for them because of potential road upgrades in their area. Single issue voter.

[Stewie991]

As much as I despise Smith, UCP was the best choice for Berta.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Based on the vote breakdown, this is well and truly a rural government that will be dictating Alberta policy for the next four years, even though over 80% of Albertans live in urban areas.

It also opens the door wide open to forgive anyone who says racist, bigoted, and hateful things to sail to victory.

I see personal transgressions that would have gotten a candidate turfed no longer matter. All decorum and integrity is out the window now and you'll get promptly rewarded for it.

Jennifer Johnson will be welcomed back with open arms by no later than the next 48 hours. I'd put money on it.

Oh my god!! Drama Queen much??

[tony-soprano]

Well I guess rural Alberta really wanted the Flames to have a new arena.

[All In Good Time]

I dunno
perhaps I'm just too out of touch
but
To me, the most concerning thing about all of this (and I don't think its even close/or can't be repeated enough) is that

the person who said this about children "Same idea — we can be top three per cent, but that little bit of poop is what wrecks it" actually won by a landslide.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Beyond the easily identifiable string of lies form Smith, you are not concerned about voting for someone guilty of breaching the conflict of interest act? Morality doesn't matter to you? Or it's OK, because she was defending your buddy, Artur?

It is a waste of time trying to reason with him and his ilk. Anyone that made a conscious decision to go out and vote UCP is likely lost and cannot be reasoned with.

Many of those that would usually vote for the UCP do not seem to have cast a ballot at all. They are not lost and there is a hope that they can be convinced to eradicate Alberta of a party that has been hijacked by the extreme right.

The Centre needs to figure a way to next time appeal to them to turn out and cast their ballot against the UCP.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Stewie991

As much as I despise Smith, UCP was the best choice for Berta.

Why?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

It is a waste of time trying to reason with him and his ilk. Anyone that made a conscious decision to go out and vote UCP is likely lost and cannot be reasoned with.

Many of those that would usually vote for the UCP do not seem to have cast a ballot at all. They are not lost and there is a hope that they can be convinced to eradicate Alberta of a party that has been hijacked by the extreme right.

The Centre needs to figure a way to next time appeal to them to turn out and cast their ballot against the UCP.

I dunno, I'm in the "all hope is lost" camp. If this group of UCP candidates and leaders can't be taken down by a strong, smart, capable women with compassionate ideals and bleieve in the rule of law, I don't really see a way to reach these voters. This was the best chance at sanity, and the majority has shown us exactly how much care and thought they can put into voting. And it ain't much, as has been shown in this thread, over and over.

[Hot_Flatus]

https://pasteboard.co/sqCw4Op29m60.png

Education funding per student purely for reference - last in the country. This is relating to 2019/2020 and has only become more dire.

Shocking that we are the only province in the country that has been in constant decline.....we must be smarter than everyone else!

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

It is a waste of time trying to reason with him and his ilk. Anyone that made a conscious decision to go out and vote UCP is likely lost and cannot be reasoned with.

Many of those that would usually vote for the UCP do not seem to have cast a ballot at all. They are not lost and there is a hope that they can be convinced to eradicate Alberta of a party that has been hijacked by the extreme right.

The Centre needs to figure a way to next time appeal to them to turn out and cast their ballot against the UCP.

The center needs a center party to get behind.

This iteration of blue and certainly the orange are not that.

[Stewie991]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Why?

New Arena

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

https://pasteboard.co/sqCw4Op29m60.png

Education funding per student purely for reference - last in the country. This is relating to 2019/2020 and has only become more dire.

Shocking that we are the only province in the country that has been in constant decline.....we must be smarter than everyone else!

Gotta try and keep the voter base topped up.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Stewie991

New Arena

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[calf]

I've talked to a few people today who voted UCP, and their main thing was "well, because of Trudeau".

WTAF