2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[speede5]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Primarily I've lived in Red Deer for the past 15 years. The city has been a running joke on CP longer than I've been a member. I've been able to embrace the criticism and acknowledge the stereotype because I know anyone targetting my city either has their tongue firmly planted in cheek, or has an accurate interpretation of the stereotype this region has legitimately earned. It's not hate.

In other words, don't take it personally and develop a self-deprecating sense of humour.

I hear ya, 99% of the time I do but this topic is getting to me (the convoy not the Sk jokes) so I'm easily triggered right now.

[Bagor]

Lich denied bail.

"Your detention is necessary for the safety or the protection of the public".

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by ThatsWhatSheSaid

This is not directed at you personally, but I've seen this narrative too often. It's this type of "both sides" argument from rational people, that has pushed me from passive to active on CP because I feel there must be a disconnect somewhere for reasonable people to say both "sides" of this situation are equally responsible.
I really want to understand where you are coming from. You say far right extremists hitch onto every cause - but do they actually? Are they out rallying for LGTBQ rights? Pipeline protests? Indigenous Rights? If they do show up, they are usually counter-protesting. Does the selection of which causes these guys show up for, not make people question the cause itself?

You are right in that there are many across the country who support the "truckers" because they simply don't understand this convoy is actually about white identity politics. These are not truckers. 90% of our truckers are busy doing their jobs and providing us essential services. The far right utilized the 10% of anti-vax truckers and co-opted it for themselves to advance their own agenda. They galvanized the 10% of our society who are frustrated with mandates/vaccines and need someone to blame. And they were willing to make their voices "heard" using any means.

Why should our PM or any of us treat "all involved" with civility and avoid polarized language, when in fact it's the issues and what these people represent that is polarizing? This isn't a partisan issue, it's what is right and wrong. One "side" has been given a lot of rope the past 2 years to present their views and arguments largely being unchecked, there is no longer any possibility of constructive discourse because they do not engage in good faith. The demands of the convoy have been a moving goal post because - surprise, surprise - it's not about mandates.

It says a lot about a person's integrity if they are willing to unite with morally reprehensible people for the sole purpose of being aligned on a singular cause. A cause that would have resolved itself by the way, regardless if they co-mingled with white nationalists or not. Something most of us were aware of long before they arrived in Ottawa and caused destruction to cities and put our country into economic turmoil. So (IMHO) I think it's fair that many opposing the convoy are well past the point of speaking "civilly" about them.
I'm ashamed that we have reached a point that my fellow Calgarians are out on family day weekend collecting offensive "make only white children" propaganda in the downtown core. One side may be using strong language condeming the other that has further inflamed the situation to a very small degree, but there only seems to be one side out there spewing vitriol, and harrassing/assaulting people just trying to exist in their lives.

Balanced views means examining both sides with a critical lens, it does not mean both sides are given the same level of respect after doing so.

I just would like to say that this is divisive rhetoric that is fostering a lot of hatred and division in this country. I know a lot of people that support this convoy and they are the furthest thing from white supremist yet it's always very convenient to lump anyone that doesn't agree with the far left as that. I'm starting to take offense to a lot of the posts here that are painting groups with broad strokes.

You are ashamed of "we" because an extremely small handful of Calgarians posted some "make only white children" propaganda? How many people do you think were involved in that? Ten? Twenty? Should Muslims be ashamed of themselves because a very small faction of them are terrorists? When will people realize that we can't control everyone and there are always going to be some bad apples yet it seems the left has done a really good job of creating a rhetoric that if you aren't aligned with them then you are a white supremist, bigot, anti-LGBTQ. Honestly I find some of your post misguided and offensive quite frankly.

[Fuzz]

You should re-read the bold sentence. He isn't saying everyone supporting the convoy knew they were supporting white identity politics, but that is what is behind it. The organizers are undeniably racist, and they used their connections within that community to strengthen the convoy, while giving them space to spread their messages.


It's unfortunately people didn't look into who they were giving money to before they did it, but people were thinking this represented their own message, which, frankly, is still one of selfishness that if governments caved to their demands, would result in many more dying and being hospitalized needlessly, while taking precious hospital space away. So even in the most generous interpretation of their support, it's still bad. Does it make everyone who supported it racist? No. But they supported racists, soo...

[Bagor]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496129150071017474

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496129441101139974

[Roughneck]

I’ve typically found that if I don’t want to be lumped in with white supremacists I probably shouldn’t support a group led by white supremacists. It’s one thing to have that element join a cause I support. I can take the time to reflect on why they’re attracted tot he same cause, but it’s a lot different if I look at the leaders of the cause and think ‘we’ll I’m the furthest thing from these people, but I’m going to stand with them and the causes they support’ it wouldn’t look well on me.

If you think there’s only two sides, ‘this one and ‘the far left’’ it points to a different problem with how you approach issues.

[Bagor]

Edit - False news. It's currently in progress.



Pat King bail hearing which was straight after Lich's recessing until tomorrow 10am so his counsel can talk with him.
Guessing that is a request and regroup in light of the Lich result.

[Fuzz]

Pat King is about Pat King. He'll say "yes, your honour" as many times as it takes to get bail.

[PepsiFree]

Supporting white nationalism? That’s a simple misunderstanding made by good people.

Pointing out white nationalism? That’s the kind of divisive rhetoric that’s tearing our country apart, oh, and everyone who does it is far left (but pointing that out isn’t meant to be divisive it’s just that everyone I disagree with is of a fringe/extreme political position, no big deal).

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You should re-read the bold sentence. He isn't saying everyone supporting the convoy knew they were supporting white identity politics, but that is what is behind it. The organizers are undeniably racist, and they used their connections within that community to strengthen the convoy, while giving them space to spread their messages.

It's unfortunately people didn't look into who they were giving money to before they did it, but people were thinking this represented their own message, which, frankly, is still one of selfishness that if governments caved to their demands, would result in many more dying and being hospitalized needlessly, while taking precious hospital space away. So even in the most generous interpretation of their support, it's still bad. Does it make everyone who supported it racist? No. But they supported racists, soo...

He also used pipeline protests as an example of some noble protests when they are no different than this convoy. Worse in fact as the recent ones in BC have shown with the violence and destruction. I'm just saying that his post comes from a far left point of view upset that some people are calling out both sides. Clearly in his view this is all about the far right and anyone supporting the far right is misguided despite the fact that the far left has it's own issues as it's leading us into socialism, taking away rights and freedoms.

I got vaccinated and I don't support the convoy. I'm not left yet I don't support white supremacy, anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ, etc. Heck I don't support any sort of protest because they are borne of angry people which is always easily misdirected. However I am very concerned about that the far left has gone too far and is attempting to silence any opposition by branding it with identity politics. I ####ing despise being lumped into any unsavory group just because I am not far left leaning but this is what the far left wants because I do not support them or share all their beliefs. It's a big problem right now.

This convoy protest has been an embarrassment for the entire country. Far left, far right, middle, etc. You only have to go to the Beaverton's latest articles on this to see how easy it is to sit back from afar and laugh at what has transpired over the last month in this country.

[Fuzz]

Perhaps if moderate rights stopped embracing and supporting the far right, they wouldn't get lumped in with them. Maybe try dissociating yourself from them if they make you uncomfortable. That may mean denouncing what the CPC is evolving into. It's not the left that encouraged Candice Bergen to cozy up to the leadership of the convoy and offer her party's support.

[Flambé]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496138511187128332

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He also used pipeline protests as an example of some noble protests when they are no different than this convoy. Worse in fact as the recent ones in BC have shown with the violence and destruction. I'm just saying that his post comes from a far left point of view upset that some people are calling out both sides. Clearly in his view this is all about the far right and anyone supporting the far right is misguided despite the fact that the far left has it's own issues as it's leading us into socialism, taking away rights and freedoms.

I got vaccinated and I don't support the convoy. I'm not left yet I don't support white supremacy, anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ, etc. Heck I don't support any sort of protest because they are borne of angry people which is always easily misdirected. However I am very concerned about that the far left has gone too far and is attempting to silence any opposition by branding it with identity politics. I ####ing despise being lumped into any unsavory group just because I am not far left leaning but this is what the far left wants because I do not support them or share all their beliefs. It's a big problem right now.

This convoy protest has been an embarrassment for the entire country. Far left, far right, middle, etc. You only have to go to the Beaverton's latest articles on this to see how easy it is to sit back from afar and laugh at what has transpired over the last month in this country.

You've made 4 posts in this thread. Every single one is about cancel culture or the left leaning posters being divisive.

Zero about this convoy until this post. Zero posts about the organizers of this convoy and the background. Zero posts about the accelerationism group involved. Zero about the borders being blocked.

If you're against them all.. then stand up and say something other than whining about the left being mean.

[Johnny Makarov]

Was just watching some clips from parliament yesterday.

Some moron idiot MP from AB was wondering why they are invoking this emergency act to solve a parking problem! lol

How effing out of touch are these right wing deplorables? haha

[puckedoff]

Ah dang in the courtroom sketch CBC has of Tamara Lich she is wearing an "I heart AB O&G" sweater. Years of goodwill undone.

[opendoor]

I guess Lich's husband talking about 1st amendment rights and saying he was flown on a private jet to Ottawa by some guy whose name he doesn't even know didn't impress the judge too much. I suppose that's what happens when a protest movement is lead by a bunch of rubes.

[Bagor]

Pat King's surety on cross examination.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496164234828431365

[Makarov]

This show cause hearing sounds like comedy gold.

[Bagor]

It sure is. Getting scolded by his own lawyer.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496160599390179329

Back at it at 1pm as the Crown wants more time to cross examine his surety

And why wouldn't they? She's gold!

[Yamer]

The surety is someone he just met in Ottawa and it sounds like he may have pulled a con job on her. She seems competent but completely ignorant to all the craziness Pat has been spewing for a decade, although it's hard to believe someone who would cuddle up to Pat King in the first place.

At this point, I don't think Pat is getting bail. It's clear this woman who is standing as his surety has no real clue who he really is.