[Trade] Flames trade 15th OA, 45th OA, and 52nd OA for Dougie Hamilton

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Lol. The only comment was he was better on his own side. A little dramatic, no?

As someone pointed out, that likely had far more to do with having Engelland the possession black hole as your partner - rather than simply 'switching sides'.

[dying4acup]

While Brodie-Hamilton might be the pair long term, I put Gio with Hamilton to start next season, and Brodie with Wideman. That makes all pairs lefty-righty, and with Wideman being the slowest of the top 4, I would pair him with the fastest. Also Brodie-Wideman is my top pp pair.

[Vulcan]

Some organizations have given defensemen of Hamilton’s caliber term and salary coming out of entry level. Drew Doughty and Pietrangelo were two such players. P.K. Subban, on the other hand, required a two-year bridge deal before scoring his eight-year, $72 million blockbuster.

That Subban bridge contract backfired on the Habs. Hope we sign Hamilton for 7 or 8 years, maybe at $7M per?

[drewtastic]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

While Brodie-Hamilton might be the pair long term, I put Gio with Hamilton to start next season, and Brodie with Wideman. That makes all pairs lefty-righty, and with Wideman being the slowest of the top 4, I would pair him with the fastest. Also Brodie-Wideman is my top pp pair.

I think your analysis is probably most likely, but I'm still not sold on Wideman logging top-4 minutes again this year, especially in the place of Russell. I trust Russell more defensively.

I'd like to see Wideman go to #5 on the depth chart, but get top PP billing (like you say here). Hamilton's acquisition allows the Flames to manage Wideman's TOI a bit more. Because Hamilton/Gio/Brodie can eat a lot of minutes, we don't need to rely on Wideman to do so anymore, and can instead use his offensive skills more strategically.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Lol. The only comment was he was better on his own side. A little dramatic, no?

Not really considering the fact Gio went down and he was playing on a bad ankle were hinderances enough on their own.

Suggesting his play (which was still stellar) had dropped due to switching sides when he A) lost a Norris caliber D-partner, B) was playing with a bad ankle and C) was largely carrying the back-end at 24 - still seems like an odd conclusion to arrive at.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by drewtastic

I think your analysis is probably most likely, but I'm still not sold on Wideman logging top-4 minutes again this year, especially in the place of Russell. I trust Russell more defensively.

I'd like to see Wideman go to #5 on the depth chart, but get top PP billing (like you say here). Hamilton's acquisition allows the Flames to manage Wideman's TOI a bit more. Because Hamilton/Gio/Brodie can eat a lot of minutes, we don't need to rely on Wideman to do so anymore, and can instead use his offensive skills more strategically.

You can always move Russell up to play with Brodie at times to give Russell more quality minutes. Having three R shooting defencemen means Wideman naturally fits on the second pairing over Engelland. Also Russell paired with Engelland seems to make them fit together as each has their own strengths and weaknesses.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

That Subban bridge contract backfired on the Habs. Hope we sign Hamilton for 7 or 8 years, maybe at $7M per?

I Don't think 8 years at 6-6.25 M is out of the question, and I think it'd be a wise move. Pay him more now so you can have a sweetheart deal in the future (like how Keith is paying off for Chicago now).

[The Swedish Flame]

This trade really happened, right?

[AC]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I Don't think 8 years at 6-6.25 M is out of the question, and I think it'd be a wise move. Pay him more now so you can have a sweetheart deal in the future (like how Keith is paying off for Chicago now).

Yeah, I think you could say the same about Monahan and possibly Gaudreau if he doesn't take a step back next year.

Sure you could go for a short bridge deal for both, but with Monahan's progression so far you might end up having to pay him $9M per instead.

[Roof-Daddy]

I think Hamilton will get 6 or 7 years, and it will between $6-6.5 million per.


Pretty exciting to think that it will take 8 years for Brodie to reach the age Gio is now, and 10 years for Hamilton to reach that age as well.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by drewtastic

I think your analysis is probably most likely, but I'm still not sold on Wideman logging top-4 minutes again this year, especially in the place of Russell. I trust Russell more defensively.

I'd like to see Wideman go to #5 on the depth chart, but get top PP billing (like you say here). Hamilton's acquisition allows the Flames to manage Wideman's TOI a bit more. Because Hamilton/Gio/Brodie can eat a lot of minutes, we don't need to rely on Wideman to do so anymore, and can instead use his offensive skills more strategically.

That's the other benefit though. On the toughest of nights, any top pair only has to play max 25min, and the bottom pair at least 15min.

Most nights it's going to be close to 20-20-20.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You can always move Russell up to play with Brodie at times to give Russell more quality minutes. Having three R shooting defencemen means Wideman naturally fits on the second pairing over Engelland. Also Russell paired with Engelland seems to make them fit together as each has their own strengths and weaknesses.

Wideman isn't the fleetest of foot so you don't want him on the bottom pairing with a guy like Engelland.

[drewtastic]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You can always move Russell up to play with Brodie at times to give Russell more quality minutes. Having three R shooting defencemen means Wideman naturally fits on the second pairing over Engelland. Also Russell paired with Engelland seems to make them fit together as each has their own strengths and weaknesses.

Originally Posted by dying4acup

That's the other benefit though. On the toughest of nights, any top pair only has to play max 25min, and the bottom pair at least 15min.

Most nights it's going to be close to 20-20-20.

I mean, I totally agree with both of these comments. I'd just prefer if it were Wideman who could be the guy moving in and out of #5 spot.

But hadn't considered that Russell in top 4 probably means Wideman-Engelland on the bottom pairing, and that's...not ideal...(..he said, politically correctly...)

[dammage79]

Why break up the top 4 pairings from last year? Pairs 2 and three will be 2nd pairings anyways. Just give Hamilton whoever the best fit is out of Wotherspoon or Schlemko should they choose to re-sign him or any other D man at training camp whos earned it.

[AcGold]

I like how we sort of have 5 top 2 dmen. Wideman, Brodie, Gio, Russell and Dougie can all play top line if need be

[dammage79]

"There is no 3rd pairing"

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I still can't believe we got Hamilton. I don't even trade for him in NHL15 because I try to avoid unrealistic moves. Reminds me of the overjoyed feelings of acquiring Tanguay, Jokinen and Bouwmeester when those moves happened, though I believe it will end up better this time.

22
6'5"
RH
Dougie frickin Hamilton

Just what the hell has happened? Still seems so surreal.

[ricardodw]

Funny that Russell was never a top 4 d-man until he was paired with Wideman... who has always been a top-4 d-man... and presto gizmo Russell is better than Wideman.

And Wideman is coming off of the best 30 game stretch of his career.

If there wasn't a back-log of Wideman is getting paid too much and should be traded with retained salary/bought out sentiment... Wideman might be given Hudler-like mentor and leadership status for helping along Russell and Gaudreau who he has shown on-ice chemistry.

Hartley was open that he allowed Wideman to manage his own ice-time because he was so responsible.

At the trade deadline Hartley/Wideman goofed with the press having Wideman leave a morning skate to amp up the rumor he was getting traded.... which would have meant that the Flames were giving up on the playoff run.

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by AcGold

I like how we sort of have 5 top 2 dmen. Wideman, Brodie, Gio, Russell and Dougie can all play top line if need be

Just because they can play top 2 minutes, doesn't mean they're top 2 Dmen. They're very solid but are #4Dmen.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

Just because they can play top 2 minutes, doesn't mean they're top 2 Dmen. They're very solid but are #4Dmen.

were you unable to watch the last 20 games and the playoffs?