CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[Hockeyguy15]

But now that we have a real lead why are we still talking about random votes?

[Lego Man]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

But now that we have a real lead why are we still talking about random votes?

Because CC is bringing up my posts from 1 day ago defending my stance during the first day?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Lego Man

Because CC is bringing up my posts from 1 day ago defending my stance during the first day?

Ah, fair enough. I thought you were saying we should still be voting randomly, sorry.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

i think in that game the NHLPA got a lot of fortunate bounces in terms of Owner kills off the start which really changed the rules, there was also only one mafia group so it was easy to see patterns, we're trying to hunt two strategically separate groups so we're not just trying to find scum.

Um, ACTUALLY, it wasn't luck, it was me being amazing, correctly jumping on the first three mafia BECAUSE IM THE BEST!

... Not that I have developed an ego over it or anything.

It's what time in Calgary, 12? 1?
Let's kill some fools before I have to go to sleep.

[HalifaxDrunk]

If transplant99 starts posting more to save being replaced and turns out to be Scum it would be one fantastic strategy by him and his Mafia. He could be playing the system knowing you get a warning before being replaced and hid long enough without getting voted out. This could almost guarantee some level of safety where we incorrectly believe he is town.

That said, vote starseed.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by HalifaxDrunk

If transplant99 starts posting more to save being replaced and turns out to be Scum it would be one fantastic strategy by him and his Mafia. He could be playing the system knowing you get a warning before being replaced and hid long enough without getting voted out. This could almost guarantee some level of safety where we incorrectly believe he is town.



That said, vote starseed.

Voting for some random when there are two clear choices?

Who are you? Me?

[kermitology]

Unvote

Seems like transplant99 is just disinterested, or perhaps offended by the accusatory nature of this game.

I'm going back to my original vote..

Vote: Baxter Renegade

[GGG]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Much Like Strombad, Lego is pushing for a fella. What sold me on Strombad is his willingness to jump on his sword if he is wrong. Death in this game is not the end. I a townie dies, but the Town wins, then the townies are still victorious

Is the death pact a good townie strategy? I don't think it is. If you are town you should not knowingly kill town and advocating for your death is trying to kill town. When would a death pact work out in the towns favour? Only when the player is right. But since the player doesn't have 100% certainty instead of offering a death pact they should instead just try to pull people onto their side.

So for me the death pact is anti town and therefore not convincing. Why do you find it a good strategy?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GGG

Is the death pact a good townie strategy? I don't think it is. If you are town you should not knowingly kill town and advocating for your death is trying to kill town. When would a death pact work out in the towns favour? Only when the player is right. But since the player doesn't have 100% certainty instead of offering a death pact they should instead just try to pull people onto their side.

So for me the death pact is anti town and therefore not convincing. Why do you find it a good strategy?

Strombad says he is positive about Activestick. If you can't figure out how he would be positive, and what steps the town should take collectively, then I wonder if you are mafia.

Do you want me to lay it out for you?

[strombad]

Originally Posted by GGG

Is the death pact a good townie strategy? I don't think it is. If you are town you should not knowingly kill town and advocating for your death is trying to kill town. When would a death pact work out in the towns favour? Only when the player is right. But since the player doesn't have 100% certainty instead of offering a death pact they should instead just try to pull people onto their side.

So for me the death pact is anti town and therefore not convincing. Why do you find it a good strategy?

Again, it's not a death pact.
The thing is, and it's simple really, the town out number the mafia. The more town that go home, the better read you get on mafia. You're not just going to magically get out mafia without some town heads rolling. Well, you might, but only if you listen to me all the time. If I go out, I benefit the game because that's a whole day with a town person as a target where people still have the chance to slip up and take themselves out of it. It doesn't even need to be a quick hammer, but if it is? Hey, check the voting patterns. If it's not, check the voting patterns. Use your intellect.

The "death pact" has value in the sense that in the mafia, numbers are more precious. No mafia is going say, "Hey, if this guy is town, vote me out!" because the goal is to get town out, and going 1 for 1 for the mafia is disastrous. It's an unsustainable strategy.

There are two scenarios where the "death pact" works, near the beginning, and near the end. The death pact won the town the game last time by simple elimination. Do it early, and it really doesn't harm the numbers.

It's a calculated risk, but that's how the game is won. If you can't get someone out yourself, your own death can certainly have benefit to the team.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by strombad

Again, it's not a death pact.
The thing is, and it's simple really, the town out number the mafia. The more town that go home, the better read you get on mafia. You're not just going to magically get out mafia without some town heads rolling. Well, you might, but only if you listen to me all the time. If I go out, I benefit the game because that's a whole day with a town person as a target where people still have the chance to slip up and take themselves out of it. It doesn't even need to be a quick hammer, but if it is? Hey, check the voting patterns. If it's not, check the voting patterns. Use your intellect.

The "death pact" has value in the sense that in the mafia, numbers are more precious. No mafia is going say, "Hey, if this guy is town, vote me out!" because the goal is to get town out, and going 1 for 1 for the mafia is disastrous. It's an unsustainable strategy.

There are two scenarios where the "death pact" works, near the beginning, and near the end. The death pact won the town the game last time by simple elimination. Do it early, and it really doesn't harm the numbers.

It's a calculated risk, but that's how the game is won. If you can't get someone out yourself, your own death can certainly have benefit to the team.

I definitely agree with you that in the end game it is a useful tool. At the start I can't help but think the town in general just ignores it as there was at least one other one offered up by someone on day one. To me it seems early it would be a good mafia gambit to offer one out because no one can say know and you get town credo.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Strombad says he is positive about Activestick. If you can't figure out how he would be positive, and what steps the town should take collectively, then I wonder if you are mafia.

Do you want me to lay it out for you?

He was positive on Day 1

[Hockeyguy15]

Well let's see what happens here. Between bizaro trying to steer the vote away from activeStick and transplant, plus there didn't seem to be a vote pile on yesterday, and the fact that transplant either has to be more involved or will get replaced.

Vote: activeStick

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GGG

He was positive on Day 1

Ok, it is clear you think I am up to something.

His first vote was HG15:

Originally Posted by strombad

Alright, let me jump in with a bit of theory here.

Voting based on inactivity worked great last time. We (for the most part) were all rookies so I think a lot of people weren't quite sure how to play. We got extremely lucky.

The difference now is that this time at least some of the mafia have either: A. Played before or B. Watched the last game. This game is about learning, do you really think everyone involved in the mafia is going to pipe down and chill out based on the danger that put them in last time? No. It was pretty clear that being vocal is the best "defence".

Now, here is the other side of my theory. Personally, I think there is absolutely no way that mafia aren't being at least somewhat active based on the last game, it would be stupid to just sit back and watch the same thing happen all over again. That being said, I'm currently most suspicious of Hockeyguy15, and quite frankly, I think he's the best option to vote out (and here's why):

- Advocating for "inactive" voting (which makes no sense to suggest considering it ignores the mafia's ability to learn, might it be alright after day 2 or 3? Of course, but mafia are absolutely going to have a presence on day 1 after last game)
- Casting suspicion on multiple people (which after 1 real time day serves only to attack people during their feeling out process)
- High post count, low value count (no offence HG15, but you're just throwing a ton of stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. On day 1 that's a silly thing to do, and it didn't exactly help last time)

If HG15 is a townsperson, then that's too bad, but his high post count last time wasn't crucial to victory and he's now adamantly going after inactive posters (which, if mafia would buy him multiple game days if people believed him, considering how high his post count actually is and the fact that he would NEVER be considered an inactive poster). Trying to lead the game THIS heavily after only 24 hours or so is a great idea if you're management.

Sorry bro.

Vote: Hockeyguy15

Here is the first vote summation by Mazrim

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Vote Count:

With 30 alive, it takes 16 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 10 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn’t Voted (21): kermitology, hmmhmmcamo, bizaro86, flameswin, CofR, starseed, devo22, agulati, transplant99, Crazy Bacon Legs, Baxter Renegade, HalifaxDrunk, undercoverbrother, dsavillian, Timbo, GP_Matt, activeStick, Delgar, Aeneas, Completely, DropIt

Voting:
ineedanother (3): Rathji, Street Pharmacist, CaptainCrunch
activeStick (2): GGG, ineedanother
Hockeyguy15 (1): strombad
Completely (1): Lego Man
strombad (1): Hockeyguy15
Crazy Bacon Legs (1): Oling_Roachinen

Deadline is Sunday, May 4th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[GGG]

That's 9 votes it takes 12 to hammer so if a few more people decide activestick is the way to go be sure to give him is opportunity for a death post.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GGG

That's 9 votes it takes 12 to hammer so if a few more people decide activestick is the way to go be sure to give him is opportunity for a death post.

activeStick has been here today and said nothing, which is a bit disappointing.

[Completely]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

activeStick has been here today and said nothing, which is a bit disappointing.

Whatever, i really couldn't decide between transplant and activestick Figure AS might give us more to work on tomorrow since trans hasn't really been around.

Vote: Activestick

[GGG]

Originally Posted by starseed

Voting based on contributions makes sense, but what is your logic behind voting based on inactivity?

Originally Posted by strombad

Much like last game, there is absolutely no value in people "revealing" and saying "I'm a townie!"

It didn't help last time, it's not going to help this time. I don't know why people need to rely on the idea of it so much. The mafia lies, if you think the mafia isn't going to say "I'm a townie!" then you should probably just self-kill, because this game is going to be tough on your trust issues.

That said, on top of what ineedanother is saying, I think ActiveStick might be an interesting choice. Last game he stayed very quite until it was near the end, then he attempted to fully control the game. He was the serial killer. It makes complete sense to me that if he were mafia he would once again attempt to lay low until the opportunity to control the game presented itself. At the end of the last game he showed a very clear ability and desire to post frequently and with a lot of ideas. So far? Nothing. It's still early, but having seen him play the game while knowing he was "bad," I'm already seeing a similar pattern.

Day 1 Stombad started on Activestick but you are right he wasn't singularly focused on active from the beginning which means my whole Legoman, Stomach, UCB theory might need revisiting.

[CaptainCrunch]

Guess I'll go with the prevalent for now, and then look at my options tomorrow again

unvote
Vote Activestick

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GGG

Day 1 Stombad started on Activestick but you are right he wasn't singularly focused on active from the beginning which means my whole Legoman, Stomach, UCB theory might need revisiting.

hey come on now.