2014 Blue Jays Regular Season Thread

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Read Only

If you think he has potential to be an ace I could see you not trading him. I think he looks more like a 3rd starter guy so I would move him for a top 10 player in the majors like Tulo even though pitching is very important as you say.

Maybe, but the Jays cannot afford to be moving top Pitching Prospects (Jays Prospects that is )...

Jays in my opinion are much better off, working the Waiver wire and trying to find pieces that are cheap

Rather than trading one of the their top prospects in Sanchez and Strolman.

[Antithesis]

I agree with you to an extent, but the Jays are in an interesting situation where, relatively speaking, they have greater prospect depth at pitcher than they do positionally. I don't know that Tulo is a generational talent, but he is certainly a perennial all-star, at a prime position. These two things combined make the idea of acquiring him more interesting, but I can't imagine the possibility is too high that the Jays actually have the prospect (or young talent) depth required to acquire him without crippling the team.

To that end, I think the Jays should be focussing more along the lines of acquiring players that are pending free agents, or that address specific concerns going forward (hitting vs. left-handers primarily).

[Cheese]

Barry Davis ‏@SNBarryDavis 4m The #bluejays DFA Sergio Santos. Rob Rasmussen recalled

[Read Only]

Originally Posted by flambers

Maybe, but the Jays cannot afford to be moving top Pitching Prospects (Jays Prospects that is )...

Jays in my opinion are much better off, working the Waiver wire and trying to find pieces that are cheap

Rather than trading one of the their top prospects in Sanchez and Strolman.

Sure if you don't want to move prospects fine but in that case shouldn't they then look at moving some of their older pieces to get young guys?

Adding waiver wire fodder maybe gets them an ok at best chance at a WC spot and a likely one and done or 3-4 and done play-off experience and likely the same for next year.

The team even when healthy isn't a WS contender and with Stroman likely being 2 years away, if he ever gets there, from being an Ace and Sanchez likely being 2 years away from being a real contributor the Jays are running the risk of being mediocre waiting for those two to develop and then once they are ready what are Bautista, Encarnacion, Reyes, Navarro, Dickey and Buerhle going to offer the team?

It seems like the Jays either need to decide to go for it now when the Sox, Rays and Yankees are down and risk giving up prospects or blow it up and build around a time table when Stroman, Sanchez and Norris will be ready to be front line guys. Waiting and just adding bit pieces seems like a recipe for another 21 years of mediocrity.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Read Only

Sure if you don't want to move prospects fine but in that case shouldn't they then look at moving some of their older pieces to get young guys?

Adding waiver wire fodder maybe gets them an ok at best chance at a WC spot and a likely one and done or 3-4 and done play-off experience and likely the same for next year.

The team even when healthy isn't a WS contender and with Stroman likely being 2 years away, if he ever gets there, from being an Ace and Sanchez likely being 2 years away from being a real contributor the Jays are running the risk of being mediocre waiting for those two to develop and then once they are ready what are Bautista, Encarnacion, Reyes, Navarro, Dickey and Buerhle going to offer the team?

It seems like the Jays either need to decide to go for it now when the Sox, Rays and Yankees are down and risk giving up prospects or blow it up and build around a time table when Stroman, Sanchez and Norris will be ready to be front line guys. Waiting and just adding bit pieces seems like a recipe for another 21 years of mediocrity.

Really tough decision for the Jays..... , speculation is the Jays are at the Ceiling in terms of their budget. If true, adding pieces is really tough.....

In my opinion, the Jays fan base are sick of the rebuilding thing but to move Stroman and Sanchez is a big time risk (i.e. its really tough adding quality pitchers).

Jays when healthy can produce offense, but their starting lineup is injury prone.... (decision #1)

Jays in my view, should add one more infielder who can play 3rd (rental type of a guy) and one more quality starter (trade dead line wish list).

Then they need to get healthy....

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Barry Davis ‏@SNBarryDavis 4m The #bluejays DFA Sergio Santos. Rob Rasmussen recalled

How many leftys do they need?

Cecil
Loup
Mills
Rasmussen


Just because the Jays can't hit Leftys doesn't mean the rest of the league has that same problem

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by calculoso

How many leftys do they need?

The move makes sense.

Jays just used Cecil on consecutive days and Loup on three consecutive days. They need rest and unless you're comfortable having Brad Mills being the only left handed option out of the pen a move needed to be made. He'll be back on the farm soon enough (or Mills will hit the wire again). I figure Sanchez will join the Jays out of the pen after this series and then maybe Morrow once his rehab stint is complete.

[Skaloper]

10-1.................

[KelVarnsen]

Fire Gibbons
Clap Clap Clap
Fire AA
Clap Clap Clap
Fire Gibbons
Clap Clap Clap
Fire AA
Clap Clap Clap

[Machiavelli]

Wow, Jays....

[bomber317]

I'm so sad to see this season go down like it has. When is Lawrie and EE suppose to come back? And Lind?

[bluejays]

The biggest problem is injuries. But there's a lot of blame in management for that. You can't assemble an injury prone team then claim that the team would have been better had guys not get injured. It's pretty much the same song and dance for years now, with using the same excuse for players. Get more Buehrle's and make a run for it. Too many guys who have had backs/knees/wrists, and when they inevitably get injured, the same excuse is used. Time to ship Bautista out and shore up the middle of the field. I really like AA's mind when it comes to the game, but this season has been a major disappointment.

[Stanathan]

The new turf can't come soon enough; I'm sure it's causing a ton of injury issues

[Freeway]

Reimold and Encarnacion are likely by by beginning of August; then Lawrie and Lind soon after.

[InBurkeWeTrust]

Shi Davidi of Sportsnet.ca reports that the Blue Jays plan to call up prospect right-hander Aaron Sanchez on Tuesday.

Sanchez was just shifted to the bullpen last week in Triple-A, which is where he'll pitch in his first taste of the majors. The 22-year-old has posted a 3.95 ERA and 84/57 K/BB ratio over 100 1/3 innings this season between Double- and Triple-A. He still has a promising future as a starter, but the Jays are hoping he can make an impact down the stretch in a relief role.
Source: Sportsnet.ca
Jul 22 - 9:10 AM

[zukes]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Fire Gibbons
Clap Clap Clap
Fire AA
Clap Clap Clap
Fire Gibbons
Clap Clap Clap
Fire AA
Clap Clap Clap

How do you figure this is Gibbons fault? Earl Weaver could be the manager and with these injuries they would still be losing. Gibbons can't control right (or left) arm crapiness from Hutch and then especially Mills.

This team should have solved the pitching dpeth issue in the winter, not by claiming every re-tread on the market and throwing them to the wolves. Rogers is to blame. How can you make all that money, get all the cheap content for their TV channels, buy the Dome at pennies on the dollar and now you can't add payroll? Ownership is a disgrace and until that is fixed the Jays will never win a thing.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by zukes

How do you figure this is Gibbons fault? Earl Weaver could be the manager and with these injuries they would still be losing. Gibbons can't control right (or left) arm crapiness from Hutch and then especially Mills.

This team should have solved the pitching dpeth issue in the winter, not by claiming every re-tread on the market and throwing them to the wolves.

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I would second that motion, its most definitely not a Coaching issue.

Jays have serious Roster issues.... this was not addressed in the off season.

Top it off, the Jays can not add salary (Speculation)

The other factor is the field surface.... hearing Bautista commenting about this at the allstar break was interesting (i.e. Hamstring injuries.... are they related...)

[Antithesis]

Originally Posted by zukes

How do you figure this is Gibbons fault? Earl Weaver could be the manager and with these injuries they would still be losing. Gibbons can't control right (or left) arm crapiness from Hutch and then especially Mills.

This team should have solved the pitching dpeth issue in the winter, not by claiming every re-tread on the market and throwing them to the wolves. Rogers is to blame. How can you make all that money, get all the cheap content for their TV channels, buy the Dome at pennies on the dollar and now you can't add payroll? Ownership is a disgrace and until that is fixed the Jays will never win a thing.

I don't know that it's fair to label ownership as a disgrace. The Jays do have a payroll north of $130 million. It is disappointing to see them seemingly be unwilling to add to the payroll in a year like this with the entire rest of the division on a down year. I do agree that this situation can not be pinned to any great degree on Gibbons, though.

[nik-]

Until the Jays get a legit ace, or two. One of them being a workhorse, all of this is going to be for naught.

Still annoyed we missed out on Yu Darvish.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Antithesis

I don't know that it's fair to label ownership as a disgrace. The Jays do have a payroll north of $130 million. It is disappointing to see them seemingly be unwilling to add to the payroll in a year like this with the entire rest of the division on a down year. I do agree that this situation can not be pinned to any great degree on Gibbons, though.

The bolded comment is the biggest disappointment. When has the AL East been this wide open in the last 10-15 years? The postseason is there for the taking. And it just feels like the opportunity is being squandered.