04-15-2013, 06:22 PM
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Not Jim Playfair
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by Iceman57
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Seroiusly, how in the world wasn't he given a shot in the NHL during a season where he was at a .75 ppg pace in the AHL as a 23 year old rookie? I don't blame him for going back.
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04-15-2013, 06:28 PM
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#1202
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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All fan bases overvalue their assets - prospects, players, whatever.
For teams like Calgary and Edmonton, struggling for the past few years, its a desire to see or have something good..
Not much point in criticizing it in either city as no one is going to convince each other of anything different.
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04-15-2013, 06:33 PM
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#1203
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Originally Posted by calgARI
Seroiusly, how in the world wasn't he given a shot in the NHL during a season where he was at a .75 ppg pace in the AHL as a 23 year old rookie? I don't blame him for going back.
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As far as I can remember he wanted a one-way contract with a guaranteed roster spot and Darryl said no.
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04-15-2013, 06:36 PM
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#1204
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Not Jim Playfair
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by ClubFlames
As far as I can remember he wanted a one-way contract with a guaranteed roster spot and Darryl said no.
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But during a strong AHL season, why wasn't he ever once called up for a look?
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04-15-2013, 06:40 PM
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#1205
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calgARI
Seroiusly, how in the world wasn't he given a shot in the NHL during a season where he was at a .75 ppg pace in the AHL as a 23 year old rookie? I don't blame him for going back.
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Flames offense was pretty good that year. Langkow was putting up points on the top line and the Flames center depth wasn't terrible with Lomardi, Yelle and later Conroy. Flames weren't really struggling that year, might have underachieved given our expectations. Besides, a 20 year old Boyd was outplaying him and when it came to call ups it was Boyd who got the taste of the NHL.
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04-15-2013, 06:41 PM
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#1206
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calgARI
Seroiusly, how in the world wasn't he given a shot in the NHL during a season where he was at a .75 ppg pace in the AHL as a 23 year old rookie? I don't blame him for going back.
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We were pretty stacked that year. Even so, Tom Maki, Dusty Boyd, Carsten Germyn & David Moss got call-ups but Taratukhin stayed in Nebraska. Another fine example of one regime undervaluing the draft picks of the previous regime, or perhaps a bit of a bias towards North American kids? Bad asset management nonetheless.
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04-15-2013, 06:43 PM
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#1207
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calgARI
But during a strong AHL season, why wasn't he ever once called up for a look?
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A bit of the veteran bias for sure. I mean, letting Amonte sit that year wouldn't have hurt. In the end the Flames offense was pretty good that year though, why mess with sucess? But it was Boyd who shining in the AHL, it was Boyd who got the call up.
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04-16-2013, 09:11 AM
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#1208
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Retired Aksarben Correspondent
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Spokane, Washington
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calgARI
But during a strong AHL season, why wasn't he ever once called up for a look?
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I recall visa issues for Taratukin and his family (wife and young child). I think there was some issue about wanting to them to join him in Calgary during a call up. In all, nothing that should have prevented him from getting a look with the Flames. Poor asset management to let a decent player walk away.
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04-16-2013, 09:49 AM
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#1209
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Franchise Player
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St Louis has slipped to 11th with their 2 losses. They look to be headed for a 10th to 12th place finishing. But there is still hope that they could end up 13th or 14th.
If they were to finish maybe 12th, and then a couple of lower teams make the conference finals, we could still be looking at a pick in the 16 - 18 range. That's probably best-case, realistic scenario. And I would be very happy with that - anything in the high teens would be awesome. And 19-21 is probably the realistic view.
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04-16-2013, 10:01 AM
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#1210
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Not sure
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The pick we got from StL. would move to 2014 if they don't make the playoffs.
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04-16-2013, 10:01 AM
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#1211
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calgARI
Seroiusly, how in the world wasn't he given a shot in the NHL during a season where he was at a .75 ppg pace in the AHL as a 23 year old rookie? I don't blame him for going back.
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He didn't score 20 goals. Like, duh!
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04-16-2013, 10:03 AM
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#1212
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Farm Team Player
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Victoria/Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
St Louis has slipped to 11th with their 2 losses. They look to be headed for a 10th to 12th place finishing. But there is still hope that they could end up 13th or 14th.
If they were to finish maybe 12th, and then a couple of lower teams make the conference finals, we could still be looking at a pick in the 16 - 18 range. That's probably best-case, realistic scenario. And I would be very happy with that - anything in the high teens would be awesome. And 19-21 is probably the realistic view.
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This makes no sense at all, you do realize the condition of the first round pick is that St. Louis has to make playoffs.
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04-16-2013, 10:03 AM
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#1213
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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They are probably in range of San Jose (3 pts up now by St.L has a game in hand) who is 9th and the Rangers who are 17th (2 pts back). Still wide open.
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04-16-2013, 10:05 AM
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#1214
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AltaGuy has a magnetic personality and exudes positive energy, which is infectious to those around him. He has an unparalleled ability to communicate with people, whether he is speaking to a room of three or an arena of 30,000.
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: At le pub...
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Originally Posted by 1234iggykipper
This makes no sense at all, you do realize the condition of the first round pick is that St. Louis has to make playoffs.
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Enoch means in the league. Not in the conference. One look at the standings should've told you that.
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04-16-2013, 11:11 AM
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#1215
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Franchise Player
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yes, I was talking about draft position, which is league-wide and reversed (mostly) to standings position.
StL is currently 11th in league standings, which - prior to playoff results - would have their pick in the 20th spot.
Shocking that that wasn't blatantly apparent.
Last edited by Enoch Root; 04-16-2013 at 11:14 AM.
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04-16-2013, 11:19 AM
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#1216
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#1 Goaltender
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If St. Louis goes .500 into the playoffs and plays a team like Anaheim or Chicago first round then it is a good scenario for the Flames. Sets them up for a likely top 20 pick
Perfect scenario would be they miss playoffs and absolutely tank next year but that is a pipe dream
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04-16-2013, 12:15 PM
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#1217
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calgARI
Seroiusly, how in the world wasn't he given a shot in the NHL during a season where he was at a .75 ppg pace in the AHL as a 23 year old rookie? I don't blame him for going back.
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He saw the writing on the wall when Sutter re-signed a broken-down Nilson.
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04-16-2013, 12:37 PM
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#1218
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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I think there was more to the Taratukhin thing than just on ice stuff. Even if he had played in the NHL that first year, I think he likely still goes home. IIRC the family had a real tough time with the adjustment to North America. I think that was one of the reasons the Flames wanted to leave him in the AHL was because it was really tough on his wife when he wasn't there, so at least if he was in the AHL, he was still in QC half the time. Also with the ELC he had, the KHL was offering more money for that type of player. Ultimately for players like Taratuhkin there is really no difference in money to be made, so it's usually a personal choice as to where they would rather play.
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04-16-2013, 01:21 PM
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by neo45
If St. Louis goes .500 into the playoffs and plays a team like Anaheim or Chicago first round then it is a good scenario for the Flames. Sets them up for a likely top 20 pick
Perfect scenario would be they miss playoffs and absolutely tank next year but that is a pipe dream
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With Bouwmeester playing a whole year? That might not be as far-fetched as it sounds.
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04-16-2013, 01:27 PM
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#1220
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GirlySports
With Bouwmeester playing a whole year? That might not be as far-fetched as it sounds.
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You could also throw in the fact that the coach, Ken Hitchcock has a short shelf life and is due for the team to stop responding.
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