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Old 03-23-2015, 09:56 PM   #1201
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That's the thing. I don't think my mom will ever understand. So it's either go to church or live on the streets...
What about getting a Job and getting your own place then?? 20 seems a little old for living at home. I had already been on my own for 6 years when I was your age.
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I was living at home at 20, I don't think it's that old. I could focus on school more rather than having to worry about all the other stuff for a few more years.

People get on their own at different times, just because one person does it earlier or later doesn't mean it's wrong or warrants criticism.
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Old 03-23-2015, 10:46 PM   #1203
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What about getting a Job and getting your own place then?? 20 seems a little old for living at home. I had already been on my own for 6 years when I was your age.
If you moved out of your parents house at 14 there was something wrong and likely unhealthy somewhere.
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Old 03-23-2015, 11:00 PM   #1204
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If you moved out of your parents house at 14 there was something wrong and likely unhealthy somewhere.
I'm not saying Its normal by any means. I have only known 2 people in my life that have lived at home when they were 20. Both knocked up one night stands and were forced to. 20 just seems too old in general. Everyone I know or have met moved out after graduation. It just seems weird to me thats all.

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Old 03-23-2015, 11:05 PM   #1205
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I'm not saying Its normal by any means. I have only known 2 people in my life that have lived at home when they were 20. Both knocked up one night stands and were forced to. 20 just seems too old in general. Everyone I know or have met moved out after graduation. It just seems weird to me thats all.
High school or University graduation?
Most people don't even finish University until 22/23 - and I don't think there's anything wrong with waiting to be done school to move out, and avoid mounting debt.
Whatever works for each individual.
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High school or University graduation?
Most people don't even finish University until 22/23 - and I don't think there's anything wrong with waiting to be done school to move out, and avoid mounting debt.
Whatever works for each individual.
High school.
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Old 03-24-2015, 12:55 AM   #1207
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I'm not saying Its normal by any means. I have only known 2 people in my life that have lived at home when they were 20. Both knocked up one night stands and were forced to. 20 just seems too old in general. Everyone I know or have met moved out after graduation. It just seems weird to me thats all.
Where do you live or where did you grow up?

How did you and everyone you know (save two people) afford to go to school?
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Old 03-24-2015, 01:37 AM   #1208
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Where do you live or where did you grow up?

How did you and everyone you know (save two people) afford to go to school?
Well, I have lived in many different places.

The people I knew growing up paid for there college education by working after school. They all saved the money from working in high school. Most of us started working at 15. I worked a full time graveyard shift during weekdays while finishing school and those that still lived at home worked 4 p.m. to 9/10 pm. At least 3/5 days of weekdays then we all usually worked sat/Sun nights.

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Well, I have lived in many different places.

The people I knew growing up paid for there college education by working after school. They all saved the money from working in high school. Most of us started working at 15. I worked a full time graveyard shift during weekdays while finishing school and those that still lived at home worked 4 p.m. to 9/10 pm. At least 3/5 days of weekdays then we all usually worked sat/Sun nights.
I guess if you worked 30 hours a week while going to school for three years and spent none of the money you'd have enough saved to pay for tuition for an undergrad degree but that seems pretty far fetched...

Almost everyone I knew in university who didn't live on campus lived at home. A very small number had off-campus places with roommates but that was the exception, not the norm.
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Old 03-24-2015, 06:04 PM   #1210
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@ Hockey_Ninja :

What about taking the approach to your mother that you believe in God, but have some issues with religion and how that belief is presented. Say you would prefer to keep the belief in god separate from the religion and worship in a private manner.

This is my approach (as an Atheist) with my wife's family, who are very catholic.
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New Documentray on Atheists.
Inside the world of Non-Believers. Great watch.

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New Documentray on Atheists.
Inside the world of Non-Believers. Great watch.

Thanks for the post, I forgot to PVR this but don't have the time to watch this right now(it's late) but saw a clip yesterday on it.Ithink) Is this the one that talks about an athiest help group that has upwards of 600 members that are pasters/ministers and priests in the USA that don't want to admit their non-believers?

If true, not only is it shocking..it's quite sad and brutal.
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What about taking the approach to your mother that you believe in God, but have some issues with religion and how that belief is presented. Say you would prefer to keep the belief in god separate from the religion and worship in a private manner.

This is my approach (as an Atheist) with my wife's family, who are very catholic.
So lie, but in a potentially less effective way?
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My wife, an Agnostic with religious parents, has been having an interesting time at work.

Without being terribly specific, her company has been contracted to do work for a church in Calgary. She's been singled out by the father/pastor/preacher/whatever for one reason or another due to her lack of faith (I don't believe anyone else on the team is notably religious), and has been asked to both visit their church for a couple Sundays, and visit other churches at their recommendation as well. She's a bit miffed at being singled out.

Normally, I would join her as we do most everything together, however I am ethnically/passively Jewish, and the church leaders have been fairly upfront with their views of Catholics, Muslims, and Jews.

It's a pretty awkward situation.
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Just watched it. It's ok, but pretty standard CNN "lowest common denominator" fare, with some nice sensationalism thrown in. For some reason the report is interspliced with some dude in a goofy hat with a turned off microphone, so jump ahead when it gets weird.
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So lie, but in a potentially less effective way?
Well.. the man obviously wants to stay at home for now. It may be fitting compromise until he can strike out on his own.

With my Wife's family it saves a bunch of grief and pressure on her. She knows where i stand and has no issues with it.

Personally I have a much bigger problem with religion than the belief in god.
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My wife, an Agnostic with religious parents, has been having an interesting time at work.

Without being terribly specific, her company has been contracted to do work for a church in Calgary. She's been singled out by the father/pastor/preacher/whatever for one reason or another due to her lack of faith (I don't believe anyone else on the team is notably religious), and has been asked to both visit their church for a couple Sundays, and visit other churches at their recommendation as well. She's a bit miffed at being singled out.
If it's work related you have to be a professional. If its weekends and evenings, politely decline/suck it up depending on your perspective.

End of the day, you're dealing with a mental health issue, so you have to handle it carefully or risk them directing it to your employer.
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If it's work related you have to be a professional. If its weekends and evenings, politely decline/suck it up depending on your perspective.

End of the day, you're dealing with a mental health issue, so you have to handle it carefully or risk them directing it to your employer.
Yeah that's pretty much where it's at. She's very uncomfortable being requested to sacrifice her personal time to be preached at, but at the same time wants to be a team player and is a consummate professional.

I'm more pissed that she would catch #### for bringing a Jew into their sanctum.
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Double post but...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...urder-atheists

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The ol' "no moral compass" fallacy.
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The ol' "no moral compass" fallacy.
What other developed nations other than America are mentally unbalanced people like this even relevent?
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