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Old 11-03-2014, 01:49 PM   #1201
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Not a mass shooting, but another good example of how guns protect families:

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Not a mass shooting, but another good example of how guns protect families:
Retroactive Darwinism at work,
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If it was Darwinism wouldn't the guy have killed the owner who was possibly too stupid to make sure that it was locked away.

This is more along the lines of a stupid tragic waste
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If it was Darwinism wouldn't the guy have killed the owner who was possibly too stupid to make sure that it was locked away.

This is more along the lines of a stupid tragic waste


sadly, kind of a theme in this thread.........
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If it was Darwinism wouldn't the guy have killed the owner who was possibly too stupid to make sure that it was locked away.

This is more along the lines of a stupid tragic waste
Retroactive Darwinism, the death of your kids because you're a moron.
Not in good taste on my part though, poor kids.
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Old 11-03-2014, 02:43 PM   #1206
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Is there any data comparing accidental deaths to lives saved by stand-your-ground/self-defence rules?
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Is there any data comparing accidental deaths to lives saved by stand-your-ground/self-defence rules?
according to gun nuts 500,000 to 4.5 million defensive gun uses happen every year in the US. I don't know why they just don't say between 1 and 68 quadrillion.
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according to gun nuts 500,000 to 4.5 million defensive gun uses happen every year in the US. I don't know why they just don't say between 1 and 68 quadrillion.
500,000 to 4.5 mill being how many times they found themselves within 10 foot of a black dude per anum?
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500,000 to 4.5 mill being how many times they found themselves within 10 foot of a black dude per anum?

or one of Obamas Nazi Muslim gay jack booted government tyrants.
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Old 11-03-2014, 03:48 PM   #1210
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according to gun nuts 500,000 to 4.5 million defensive gun uses happen every year in the US. I don't know why they just don't say between 1 and 68 quadrillion.
For someone as afraid of the real world as your typical gun nut is, I am sure that they consider every time they stroke the barrel as being a "defensive gun use".
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Sums up my thoughts on gun control (NSFW - language)

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This thread reached page 8 before another mass shooting (record?)

Anyway, this time it's Portland,Oregon. 3 shot at school
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/12/us/por...html?hpt=hp_t1
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/20/us/new...html?hpt=hp_t1

Two New York City police officers were shot and killed ambush-style Saturday as they sat in their patrol car in Brooklyn, according to two law enforcement sources.

Both officers were shot in the head, one of the sources said. Few other details were available.

The alleged shooter was found dead in a nearby subway station from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to a law enforcement official.
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Two New York City police officers were shot and killed ambush-style Saturday as they sat in their patrol car in Brooklyn, according to two law enforcement sources.

Both officers were shot in the head, one of the sources said. Few other details were available.

The alleged shooter was found dead in a nearby subway station from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to a law enforcement official.
Intentionally, apparently..

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Montana Shooter Found Guilty Despite State's 'Castle Doctrine'

http://www.npr.org/2014/12/20/372136...m_content=2047

More than 30 states have laws that allow people to use deadly force if they have a reasonable fear for their life or property. But this week, a Montana jury said that type of law has its limits, finding a homeowner who shot a teenager in his garage guilty of deliberate homicide.

In the early hours of April 27, a motion detector alerted homeowner Markus Kaarma someone was in the garage of his home in Missoula, Mont. He went outside and almost immediately fired four shotgun blasts, killing 17-year-old Diren Dede, a German exchange student.

Prosecutors contended 30-year-old Kaarma was the aggressor and had purposefully lured an intruder into his garage in order to hurt him.
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Good.

People thinking that guns in their house are the end all of home defense usually find out that it leads to tragic results.
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Old 12-22-2014, 10:54 AM   #1218
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More than 30 states have laws that allow people to use deadly force if they have a reasonable fear for their life or property. But this week, a Montana jury said that type of law has its limits, finding a homeowner who shot a teenager in his garage guilty of deliberate homicide.
That's absolutely absurd. No ones property is worth someone's life. If you hear someone in your house, get into a locked room and phone the cops. If the intruders then try to breach that locked door, then sure, open up.
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That's absolutely absurd. No ones property is worth someone's life. If you hear someone in your house, get into a locked room and phone the cops. If the intruders then try to breach that locked door, then sure, open up.

On top of that, from troutman's link, it appears there was more to this story then simply being afraid and firing shots...

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Obviously we don't know the whole story, but it sounds like there was something going on before the fatal shots. If I was to read into that even more (which I know isn't fair) I would guess he confronted the teen without shots fired, the teen likely got scared and just wanted to leave at that point, and buddy chased him around the property, intimidating him and then eventually shot him in the garage.

I know, I know "How could you possibly get all that from one sentence", but that's just my guess, as I doubt they'd have stated that without strong evidence/indication.
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OI know, I know "How could you possibly get all that from one sentence", but that's just my guess, as I doubt they'd have stated that without strong evidence/indication.
No, just kinda wondering how you got that from reading the story/link. From reading the story, the shooter had had his garage broken into a few times before. He was overheard to state that he was very tired from staying up nights to catch and shoot some kids. His garage was left open to 'invite' them in. Likely, he was inside the house, and as soon as the motion sensor tripped, he ran out and started blasting away.
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