The New American Politics thread

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

That's a lovely photo. Did you have something to share with the class? See we're discussing the Koch's now because the Republicans just had a debate and their influence is clear in the right's own coverage and spin of the event. What about Soros would you like to discuss?

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

That's a lovely photo. Did you have something to share with the class? See we're discussing the Koch's now because the Republicans just had a debate and their influence is clear in the right's own coverage and spin of the event. What about Soros would you like to discuss?

I did, the photo says it all.

However, since it's relevant during the one year anniversary of the Ferguson riots coming up...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...spur/?page=all

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

I did, the photo says it all.

However, since it's relevant during the one year anniversary of the Ferguson riots coming up...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...spur/?page=all

Seriously, the Washington Frikkin Times? Founded and owned by the Unification Church (a cult founded by Sun Myung Moon). That's some serious unbiased source there. Makes Fox News look almost credible. What a joke.

[2Stonedbirds]

It's like the gift that keeps on giving!

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Trump is a tool, but he made the best point any Republican has had in at least a decade when he explained how easy it was to buy politicians

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...ald-trump-buy/

My opinion on Trump is so conflicted. One one hand he is arrogant, dismissive, crude, disrespectful. But every now and then he speaks the unvarnished truth and I wonder if I like the guy or not.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by zamler

My opinion on Trump is so conflicted. One one hand he is arrogant, dismissive, crude, disrespectful. But every now and then he speaks the unvarnished truth and I wonder if I like the guy or not.

I like him for the impact he's having, not for who he is. He's causing absolute havoc in the Republican party, making the "real" candidates look foolish and using the same arguments against them that they make against Hillary Clinton. Best case scenario is that he follows up on his threat to run as an independent when the party drops him, guaranteeing a Republican loss in the general election. 2nd best case scenario is that he rallies his base of racist, misogynist, anti-government idiots so hard that when he gets dropped they get angry/disillusioned enough to not vote

[Vulcan]

Well you can pick your poison. In this case I'll choose Soros over the Koch brothers every day.

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

It's like the gift that keeps on giving!

Oh look...he can generate memes. Impressive. Oh, by the way, Comedy Central is a more credible news source than Fox News and the Washington Times. I'm waiting for your Alex Jones links next.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

It's like the gift that keeps on giving!

Gifts are supposed to be for other people, but I'm pretty sure the "giver" is the only one enjoying these stupid quips.

[2Stonedbirds]

So in summation...

Republican candidates supported by conservative lobby groups: Bad.

Democratic candidates supported by liberal lobby groups: Good.

I'd love to find a George Soros hit piece from a liberal news source, but for some reason they are as impossible to find as a damning conservative article on the Koch brothers. Funny how that works hey?

The duality of it all is amusing/sad. The worst part is people gobble up the divide and conquer tactics of today's media. Comedy Central is entertainment, not news. Basically the left's equivalent of Alex Jones for late night stoners.

[Vulcan]

As said when Comedy Central is a better news source than a broadcasting news corporation, you know the US is in trouble.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

It's like the gift that keeps on giving!

Liberals in America are far more likely to consume several news sources. The more conservative someone is, the more likely they just follow whatever Fox News says, with a little bit of Rush thrown in for good measure.

Sorry, I don't have a meme for you, but I hope this article will suffice.

http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21...eft-and-right/

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

As said when Comedy Central is a better news source than a broadcasting news corporation, you know the US is in trouble.

I don't doubt the US and their people are facing some serious issues, but this thread illustrates perfectly how easy it is for people to buy into the BS that their team is their team and the other side (whoever they may be) is simply evil. Doesn't help that the same small groups of billionares influencing public policy are also those that influence/own the media.

When you control the message...

"The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses."

Malcolm X

It's too bad the US will not see a 3rd party take power. The US could get away from their Bush/Clinton dynasties and Fox news and MSNBC wouldn't have anything to talk about.

[Red Ice Player]

Comedy Central is entertainment and it makes me laugh. They don't have to work very hard at it either. The fact that Jon Stewart was able to make a career commenting on sound bites from Fox News is somewhat disconcerting, but very telling about just how out to lunch and out of touch the US right has become. There is no right wing equivalent to Comedy Central because conservatives aren't funny, except unintentionally.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

I don't doubt the US and their people are facing some serious issues, but this thread illustrates perfectly how easy it is for people to buy into the BS that their team is their team and the other side (whoever they may be) is simply evil. Doesn't help that the same small groups of billionares influencing public policy are also those that influence/own the media.

When you control the message...

"The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses."

Malcolm X

It's too bad the US will not see a 3rd party take power. The US could get away from their Bush/Clinton dynasties and Fox news and MSNBC wouldn't have anything to talk about.

As said, I pick my poison.

As for being evil, I'd rate the right as 90% self serving liars and I'd call that close to evil when they are supposed to be serving their country instead of their own quest for power and money. Maybe a guy like Huckabee is a true believer, but I don't pay enough attention to him as I don't like his beliefs in the first place.

As for the left they are probably 60-70% self serving most of the time with people on both sides caught up in the game where they need to sell themselves in order to get elected no matter their personal morals. On the left I like Bernie Sanders. I like his politics and I don't see him as being bought and sold.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

I did, the photo says it all.

However, since it's relevant during the one year anniversary of the Ferguson riots coming up...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...spur/?page=all

Soros gave $33M to multiple per-existing non-profit groups that cover a broad scope of community related non-partisan social interests. These groups existed before Ferguson and were active in the community long before the events in Ferguson went down. I'm not certain what your point is here except to try and create some type of false equivalency?

On the other side of the coin you have the Koch brothers who have already committed $898M to this election cycle, all to Republican interests. They have a further war chest they have told their top candidates they are willing dip into in the event of contingencies. So you think there is an equivalency between Soros giving $33M to multiple community focused non-profits compared to the Koch brothers giving 27 times that amount directly to political campaigns? These two guys will spend almost a billion dollars on this campaign in an effort to directly influence the political mechanism in the United States, and you think that is kosher? The founding fathers are all spinning in their graves.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

I don't doubt the US and their people are facing some serious issues, but this thread illustrates perfectly how easy it is for people to buy into the BS that their team is their team and the other side (whoever they may be) is simply evil. Doesn't help that the same small groups of billionares influencing public policy are also those that influence/own the media.

When you control the message...

"The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses."

Malcolm X

It's too bad the US will not see a 3rd party take power. The US could get away from their Bush/Clinton dynasties and Fox news and MSNBC wouldn't have anything to talk about.

I'll stop thinking "the other side" is evil when they stop spending billions of dollars to further evil agendas.

When they stop trying to prevent low income women from accessible healthcare. When they stop trying to keep the EPA from keeping any kind of healthy standard of air/land/water quality in this country. When they stop blatantly ignoring proven science. When they stop pushing for tax cuts and loopholes for billionaires while also refusing to raise the minimum wage to something less draconian. When they stop telling me that owning a gun is a right but access to healthcare is a privilege.

Both sides have nutjobs, of course. But the per capita of nutjobs on the right is way higher, and their agendas are more detrimental to the bottom 90% of this country than the left's nutjobs.

[old-fart]

Originally Posted by octothorp

I think Kasich is really the ticket to winning for the Republicans. Not necessarily as the nominee, but even as a running mate; Ohio's such an important state, he's very popular there, he's got a good mix of viewpoints that should be inclusive both the the right and to moderates. From what I've read, his religiousness is less hypocritical than many. Yet, that's probably the thing that's going to turn off a lot of conservatives and keep him off the ticket. "He used the bible as justification for helping the poor? Boo this godless communist!"

I think I said it in the Trump thread that a Bush/Kasich ticket is the only one I can think of that would seriously have a shot at knocking off Hilary. But hardline conservatives and tea-party supporters would hate that ticket, and want Bush to pick a token tea-party running mate, like Romney and McCain did.

Kasich is yet another religious kook that thinks climate change is "just a theory". When pressed he probably thinks the earth is only 6,000 years old.

Sorry, but if this is the best the Republicans have, they should fold up shop and start over.

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Well you can pick your poison. In this case I'll choose Soros over the Koch brothers every day.

Oh, you mean the billionaire who funds a rent-a-mob to pillage Ferguson in order to incite racial tensions even further?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Oh, you mean the billionaire who funds a rent-a-mob to pillage Ferguson in order to incite racial tensions even further?

You know that was proven complete bunk, right? Like a total fabrication?

You're narrative is really annoying