getting a little tired of the crack/meth heads

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by chemgear

https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/...-year-sentence

A 42-year-old Vancouver man has received a four-year prison sentence after admitting to selling fentanyl and methamphetamine to people in the Downtown Eastside.

Hubick was on probation for property crime at the time of his arrest and was found with $50,000 worth of fentanyl, $16,000 worth of meth, $10,000 in cash and several cellphones. A knife was found in his vehicle.

In his defence, Hubick said that he had lost his job during the COVID-19 pandemic and resorted to dealing drugs to make ends meet.

The judge said that while accepting Hubick’s statement of defence and request the he be granted a conditional sentence not involving incarceration, the impact of fentanyl on B.C.’s opioid drug crisis could not be ignored and “amounted to conduct that demonstrates a reckless disregard for human life.”

“The accused was involved in the trafficking of fentanyl and methamphetamine in the DTES as a mid-range dealer for at least three months, and I infer likely longer. His cellular phone number was attached to some of the packaged drugs, ready to go. At the time of the VPD Project Bankroll investigation, he was not supporting a personal drug addiction. His drug trafficking operation was profit driven.”

If Hubick behaves well in prison, he will be eligible for release in November 2024.

This guy who opened his own safe supply store recently died of a fentenal overdose:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6896186

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by Locke

Anyhow, I feel I have de-railed an otherwise important and informational thread with enough Polar Bear talk. Just remember this when I'm finally in control of this Country....

If you want to get elected you need to pander to both sides

Survival of the fittest = Baffin initiative
Bleeding hearts = safe injection tents and Canada Goose Jackets

Add them together and you get a Locke majority government

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Brendone

If you want to get elected you need to pander to both sides

Survival of the fittest = Baffin initiative
Bleeding hearts = safe injection tents and Canada Goose Jackets

Add them together and you get a Locke majority government

What a waste, with all the bear jokes going around and you didn't even say panda?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by chemgear

https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/...-year-sentence

A 42-year-old Vancouver man has received a four-year prison sentence after admitting to selling fentanyl and methamphetamine to people in the Downtown Eastside.

Hubick was on probation for property crime at the time of his arrest and was found with $50,000 worth of fentanyl, $16,000 worth of meth, $10,000 in cash and several cellphones. A knife was found in his vehicle.

In his defence, Hubick said that he had lost his job during the COVID-19 pandemic and resorted to dealing drugs to make ends meet.

The judge said that while accepting Hubick’s statement of defence and request the he be granted a conditional sentence not involving incarceration, the impact of fentanyl on B.C.’s opioid drug crisis could not be ignored and “amounted to conduct that demonstrates a reckless disregard for human life.”

“The accused was involved in the trafficking of fentanyl and methamphetamine in the DTES as a mid-range dealer for at least three months, and I infer likely longer. His cellular phone number was attached to some of the packaged drugs, ready to go. At the time of the VPD Project Bankroll investigation, he was not supporting a personal drug addiction. His drug trafficking operation was profit driven.”

If Hubick behaves well in prison, he will be eligible for release in November 2024.

I really, really can't believe the judge let that weigh in the sentencing. That's not making ends meet money, that's Lambo money.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I really, really can't believe the judge let that weigh in the sentencing. That's not making ends meet money, that's Lambo money.

What? You could put a good down payment on a Lambo for that...but...you cant live in it, that would be horribly uncomfortable and if you parked it in front of your DTES tent you'd spend forever trying to find your tires!

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I really, really can't believe the judge let that weigh in the sentencing. That's not making ends meet money, that's Lambo money.

That's actually closer to low end model f150 money

[Fuzz]

I mean if he has that much on him at the time, he's made a lot more than that over the time he's been selling.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

This guy who opened his own safe supply store recently died of a fentenal overdose:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6896186

That's a very sad story. It's really cool to see some regular citizens and groups in BC make an attempt to save lives amongst the devastation of drug addiction and bad drugs.

They're often mocked and laughed at yet are putting in more effort than our government and most citizens are willing to, beyond "get these people out of our site, it's getting uncomfortable".

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

I think it's an issue that people are fine looking at these people, and just let them fade into the background of their busy day and move along.

We're looking at people living in utter misery, many on a march toward an early death. It's awful, and it should be upsetting to look at if you have any empathy. Acceptance of the situation is the last thing I hope we achieve.

If you think that's what I'm describing, you aren't listening much. I never said I didn't notice them, nor did I say it's an acceptable situation for people to be in that situation. I'm commenting on the attitudes here which are all about not wanting to see people like that and that's it. Shutting them off from society is non-acceptance.

Calgary was just rousting them from platforms - that's no answer. Arresrting them and doin nothing afterwards is no answer.

Let me ask you - have you ever even spoken to a homeless person other than to tell them you didn't have change? Ever bought one a meal? And sat with them while they ate and talked about stuff? Ever worked a food kitchen? Ever called an EMT for one?

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by jayswin

That's a very sad story. It's really cool to see some regular citizens and groups in BC make an attempt to save lives amongst the devastation of drug addiction and bad drugs.

They're often mocked and laughed at yet are putting in more effort than our government and most citizens are willing to, beyond "get these people out of our site, it's getting uncomfortable".

It's $30 on amazon for 10 fentanyl test strips to be used on powders and liquids. These junkies are able to find the money for drugs but God forbid you drop an extra couple bucks to prevent an OD. Amazon has pickup locations if you don't have an address and you can get a visa debit card for your account if you won't qualify for a credit card.

https://www.amazon.ca/Signify-Analyt...1978615&sr=8-3

His death is proof that whatever his "safe supply" was probably isn't as safe as he thought it was. All in all this is a net win for society.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

It's $30 on amazon for 10 fentanyl test strips to be used on powders and liquids. These junkies are able to find the money for drugs but God forbid you drop an extra couple bucks to prevent an OD. Amazon has pickup locations if you don't have an address and you can get a visa debit card for your account if you won't qualify for a credit card.

https://www.amazon.ca/Signify-Analyt...1978615&sr=8-3

His death is proof that whatever his "safe supply" was probably isn't as safe as he thought it was. All in all this is a net win for society.

Wtf.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

That's actually closer to low end model f150 money

Lol. The article says he was driving a Lexus.

The judges reasoning doesn't heavily support that they took the guy's sob story into account. Four years is quite a bit for a first sentence for a low level drug dealer. If it hadn't been fentanyl he probably would have only gotten a few months at most.

It did sound like he was homeless when he started drug dealing.. But I guess he was good at dealing?

I still don't get how anyone could ever deal fentanyl and live with themselves though. He likely helped kill several people.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I say just put them on an island off of Vancouver Island. Nice mild climate with ideal land for setting up encampments. The government/military can air drop supply boxes periodically so that they have food, various necessities and a clean supply of drugs. They can set up their own form of government and regulations.

And you mix in the George Carlin idea too. Set up cameras everywhere, sell that #### on pay per view, and next thing you know we've balanced the budget

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

It's $30 on amazon for 10 fentanyl test strips to be used on powders and liquids. These junkies are able to find the money for drugs but God forbid you drop an extra couple bucks to prevent an OD. Amazon has pickup locations if you don't have an address and you can get a visa debit card for your account if you won't qualify for a credit card.

https://www.amazon.ca/Signify-Analyt...1978615&sr=8-3

His death is proof that whatever his "safe supply" was probably isn't as safe as he thought it was. All in all this is a net win for society.

This is an emotional topic, no doubt, but I hope you can see that was over the line.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

This is an emotional topic, no doubt, but I hope you can see that was over the line.

This was a guy dealing crack, meth, heroin and more from a presumably unsafe supply (or else he wouldn't be dead) that is now off the streets. Anyone selling hard drugs like this is not a good person.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

This was a guy dealing crack, meth, heroin and more from a presumably unsafe supply (or else he wouldn't be dead) that is now off the streets. Anyone selling hard drugs like this is not a good person.

Did you read the whole article or just the headline?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

This was a guy dealing crack, meth, heroin and more from a presumably unsafe supply (or else he wouldn't be dead) that is now off the streets. Anyone selling hard drugs like this is not a good person.

You can still OD on 'safe' supply drugs.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Did you read the whole article or just the headline?

Reading just the headline is one kind of stupid but it’s always sad to see someone make a dumb conclusion based on that limited information, that would have been cleared up had he just read past the headline on any of the number of articles about him lol.

Jerry Martin was an activist who provided tested, safe supply drugs, and wanted to get arrested for it so he could take the legal safe supply issue to court. Nobody died from the program he co-founded, and he was otherwise meticulous about testing his drugs. Why he didn’t test the ones he took himself? Who actually knows. But it doesn’t sound like a purposeful OD was off the table.

Celebrating his death is moronic.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by jayswin

That's a very sad story. It's really cool to see some regular citizens and groups in BC make an attempt to save lives amongst the devastation of drug addiction and bad drugs.

They're often mocked and laughed at yet are putting in more effort than our government and most citizens are willing to, beyond "get these people out of our site, it's getting uncomfortable".

It is super sad but he was gaming the decriminalization of hard drugs and his supply clearly wasn't safe.
Whether his intentions were true to supply safely or just make money as a dealer, it should have been left to the medically supervised safe supply sites.
I don’t think taking drug dealers into his own retail hands was the answer, but none the less, another overdose death is sad as they all are.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by blankall

Lol. The article says he was driving a Lexus.

The judges reasoning doesn't heavily support that they took the guy's sob story into account. Four years is quite a bit for a first sentence for a low level drug dealer. If it hadn't been fentanyl he probably would have only gotten a few months at most.

It did sound like he was homeless when he started drug dealing.. But I guess he was good at dealing?

I still don't get how anyone could ever deal fentanyl and live with themselves though. He likely helped kill several people.

I'm trying to reconcile your first bolded statement with the second. Akin to manslaughter but 4 years is wildly long? Does that make sense? If it is not manslaughter, it is wilful / reckless disregard for human life, I would think of it more to like getting wasted and driving around but maybe worse. What are the prison sentences for those types of offences?

My wife's distant relative was recently busted in Massachusetts for dealing cocaine laced with fentanyl and he's being told he is facing up to 20 years... whereas this guy you're suggesting was handed a 'harsh sentence' could be out of prison by November 2024.

Per MBates post, I presume that the issue is lack of resources / prison capacity. But that's why we need a PST and much more resourcing, so people like this actually have to, you know, serve their sentences.