The New American Politics thread

[Flash Walken]

Nothing trump says matters.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by New Era

Uh, no I did not. I stated based on the Reddit thread what they could possibly be trying to achieve, neither of which are illegal. I did not say that there were not any possible motives that were illegal. See, there is part of your problem. You don't understand what they are asking so you go and make some broad sweeping conclusion that is beyond the scope of the question being asked.

I apologize for misrepresenting your conclusion. The full context was linked, so people are free to draw their own conclusions.

I'm interested in the opinions of people not pushing a narrative though.

Originally Posted by New Era

The way the question is framed points to protecting the private email address from an archive file because exposing it may provide insight into the credibility of severity of the information being discussed.

Heaven forbid the records provide insight!

Better to erase & destroy them all then to allow any credibilty-of-severity to leak out of her basement.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by New Era

3. Altering email records is not an illegal act, so long as the original is left intact. This happens all the time during e-discovery.

We're not talking about a FOIA release - we'really talking about corrupting the originals before they are submitted to an active, legitimate investigation.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Nothing trump says matters.

I think it's more that his supporters can't or don't want to comprehend what he's saying. Take this for example

Daniel DaleVerified account
‏@ddale8
Trump: "I don't care" if manufacturers leave, because we'll "make a fortune" from the 35% tariff we slap on them if they do.

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/778355838348124160

While he may not care because the government will make a fortune, working people will lose their jobs and consumers will pay much higher prices with the tariffs being passed on to them. But his supporters can't comprehend that, or don't want to because it doesn't matter to them. That's why the sick part of me wants to see Trump win, just to see what happens to his supporters when he betrays them across the board.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by New Era

The way the question is framed points to protecting the private email address from an archive file because exposing it may provide insight into the credibility of severity of the information being discussed.

They could also simply be removing addressess like "Angelina.Jolie@privateemail.com" to make sure some junior agent who's been tasked with the thankless job of sorting out the emails doesn't start sending dick picks to the Hollywood celebrities you've been talking charity stuff with.

EDIT:
Worth noting that the highlighted part says they're replacing the addressess with a placeholder. Now, this isn't very specific, but it could easily mean they're just replacing actual addresses with a number that refers to an index that is mostly kept hidden. That way the emails will still contain all the same information, but no email addresses are spread around.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by troutman

Some politicians are actually working:

'You Should Resign': Watch Sen. Elizabeth Warren Grill Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...ntent=20160920

Sad video to watch. "Grills" suggests some degree of discomfort, but that guy couldn't give a #### about her lecture. She's telling him off when he's walking away a richer man than ever.

[nik-]

Yeah. These CEO's get up there and act all contrite but they couldn't give a ####. That CEO's bank account accrued more interest in that hearing than Warren makes all year and nothing ever comes of these hearings. No one is ever punished.

He doesn't give a ####, zero doubt him and his fellow super rich are having a good laugh about it.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Gozer

Heaven forbid the records provide insight!

Better to erase & destroy them all then to allow any credibilty-of-severity to leak out of her basement.

You're missing the point on the credibility an email address may have on the contents of an email. The mention of a possible terror attack from some schmoe at a .gov address has a certain level of credibility. The same email from an email address of the Secretary of State has a much higher level of credibility. Can you now see why protecting that address is important?

Originally Posted by Gozer

We're not talking about a FOIA release - we'really talking about corrupting the originals before they are submitted to an active, legitimate investigation.

Uh, that is what e-discovery is all about. Both instances use the e-discovery process for compliance with requests, so we are talking about the same thing.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by New Era

Can you now see why protecting that address is important?

Protecting it from legitimate oversight?
From the government?

That logic could be applied to ANYTHING a SoS would talk about. She's not exempt from keeping records; she doesn't get to decide what information she wishes to disclose.
They're not her records to doctor.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by New Era

Uh, that is what e-discovery is all about. Both instances use the e-discovery process for compliance with requests, so we are talking about the same thing.

You're stating that altering an original record before submitting it under supeona is the same as redacting details on a FOIA request?

This is naked, dishonest obfuscation intended to discourage anyone from trying to understand the issue.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

This was my favorite tweet of the day. The guy is such a trend setter.

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Do people notice Hillary is copying my airplane rallies - she puts the plane behind her like I have been doing from the beginning.

[jammies]

Can the email conversation be split into another thread?

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by jammies

Can the email conversation be split into another thread?

Sorry for the thread-jack, all.

I think this bout has run it's course. No one else is going to wade into these muddied waters.
I'll let New Era get the last word and then we'll let it go.

[photon]

[2Stonedbirds]

Is it possible to dig Dwight up and re-animate him somehow? Please?

[Senator Clay Davis]

One of the paintings of Trump that the Trump Foundation bought has been found, hanging in Trump's resort in Doral. That would appear to be totally illegal. Unwittingly outed by one of his own supporters no less.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by MattyC

How is this woman not in the race?

Is it just because she wants to do actual work?

Mostly I think she knows that with regards to actual policy change, she actually has more influence as a Senator than she would as the President. Presidents hold veto power which is likely their biggest card to play (also executive orders), but for actual lasting domestic policy change, those things need to start with the House/Senate before they even get to the President to be signed.

I think that was also a big part of the Sanders campaign, to try to draw attention to some of those other down-card races where a Republican incumbent was vulnerable, to try to bring more like-minded Democrats/Independents into the fold.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

She's also unelectable.

[Senator Clay Davis]

He has them shook. And I don't see an actual denial of anything he reported so...

[KootenayFlamesFan]

There could not be any intent or motive..............ahahahahahah.

You know when they're releasing a statement bashing the guy he's on to something.