2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Maybe we have room to move 2 defenseman then
I personally think both Andersson and Valimaki could step in next year and contribute while not looking out of place, one could argue Andersson already displayed that during stint at the end of this season.

Kinda what I was thinking... generating room on the blue line for youth is also important if we want to keep Fox interested in the Flames and possibly signing at year end?

Maybe Stone/Brodie can be packaged... possibly in a deal for Palmeiri (+?) that someone else mentioned?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

Kinda what I was thinking... generating room on the blue line for youth is also important if we want to keep Fox interested in the Flames and possibly signing at year end?

Maybe Stone/Brodie can be packaged... possibly in a deal for Palmeiri (+?) that someone else mentioned?

That would be hard to turn down by teams who need blue line help. Here: two top 4 defensemen, 1 shutdown and 1 offensive.

If they believe Valimaki is ready this could be quite the move.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

I highly doubt the Flames move two dman this summer and play a totally rookie 3rd pairing. That’s not Treliving’s style. Think about what the defense would look like with an injury or two in the top 4, very scary. I think at most 1 goes

We wanna have depth to contend. Whoever out of Kylington, Andersson and Valimaki that doesn’t make the team will still almost inevitably see time due to injury. I mean you have contending depth on defense when injuries hit and near NHL or NHL ready guys are your callups. That’s not a bad thing like some posters try to make it out to be, that’s a good thing. We don’t want to be in a position where an injury or two has guys like Kylington/Andersson in the top 4 and our bottom pairing is no name callups, that would probably be disastrous.

[8sPOT]

I keep thinking that if Adam Larsson can land you Taylor Hall then Hamilton or Brodie should fetch some pretty significant pieces. Then again, Chiarelli was involved in that trade so options become limited.

Seriously though, it does feel like Treliving will move one of Hamilton, Brodie or Stone. Perhaps 2 of those 3.

Talk of Marner for Hamilton on 960 this am is an interesting trade.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

I keep thinking that if Adam Larsson can land you Taylor Hall then Hamilton or Brodie should fetch some pretty significant pieces. Then again, Chiarelli was involved in that trade so options become limited.

Seriously though, it does feel like Treliving will move one of Hamilton, Brodie or Stone. Perhaps 2 of those 3.

Talk of Marner for Hamilton on 960 this am is an interesting trade.

I just don’t see Marner being made available for anything. That would be like Gaudreau being moved for D help (if the Flames needed it). He’s drives that teams offense.

[Macho0978]

I could see Marner for Hamilton being interesting for the Leafs. To many people undervalue that Hamilton has 3 years at 5.75 and Marner is 1 year away from 7+, maybe even 8+. The Leafs would be filling a huge hole with Hamilton and fixing potential cap issues they would have next summer. IMO this would be a great move for them. They have tons of cap space this year so the bonus that Marner makes nothing now isn't as important as what he will make next year.

Hamilton's contract expires after Marleau's does which would be great for the Leaf's

They also could make a huge run at Tavares if they took cap pressure off from next summer and differ it to 3 years from now

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I could see Marner for Hamilton being interesting for the Leafs. To many people undervalue that Hamilton has 3 years at 5.75 and Marner is 1 year away from 7+, maybe even 8+. The Leafs would be filling a huge hole with Hamilton and fixing potential cap issues they would have next summer. IMO this would be a great move for them. They have tons of cap space this year so the bonus that Marner makes nothing now isn't as important as what he will make next year.

Hamilton's contract expires after Marleau's does which would be great for the Leaf's

They also could make a huge run at Tavares if they took cap pressure off from next summer and differ it to 3 years from now

There is no guarantee Marner gets more than 7 nevermind 8. Forsberg, Gaudreau, Heaburdeau, Tarasenko, Kucherov, etc. Are his closest comparables coming out of their elcs. Only Tank got 7.5M and he signed a full 8 years and was considered a top goal scorer in the NHL. If Marner gets 8 he is over paid by a good margin. Even at 7M you better e getting 8 years.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I could see Marner for Hamilton being interesting for the Leafs. To many people undervalue that Hamilton has 3 years at 5.75 and Marner is 1 year away from 7+, maybe even 8+. The Leafs would be filling a huge hole with Hamilton and fixing potential cap issues they would have next summer. IMO this would be a great move for them. They have tons of cap space this year so the bonus that Marner makes nothing now isn't as important as what he will make next year.

Hamilton's contract expires after Marleau's does which would be great for the Leaf's

They also could make a huge run at Tavares if they took cap pressure off from next summer and differ it to 3 years from now

Well... I’ve absolutely hated the idea of trading Hamilton. But the thought of Gaudreau-Monahan & Tkachuk-Marner for the next 6-7 years sounds pretty amazing.

You make some good points on the valuation. I’m going to stop posting in this thread for a while now.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

There is no guarantee Marner gets more than 7 nevermind 8. Forsberg, Gaudreau, Heaburdeau, Tarasenko, Kucherov, etc. Are his closest comparables coming out of their elcs. Only Tank got 7.5M and he signed a full 8 years and was considered a top goal scorer in the NHL. If Marner gets 8 he is over paid by a good margin. Even at 7M you better e getting 8 years.

Sorry but your comparables are a bit outdated. Only way Marner gets less than 7 is if he resigns this summer. He might do it too but the cap could hit $80mil most the guys you mention signed when the cap was about $10 mil less

Ry Jo - $8
Drasaitl - $8,5
Kuznetsov - $7.8

To me these are the new comparibles. Ry Jo and Kuznetsov were closer to UFA but all got close to 8 or over 8. Marner is going to get 7 unless it's a bridge and I doubt he goes for that.

If he waits until he hits RFA status the cap could be $82-$84. That will get him 7 for sure

It's like saying Mcdavid won't get $12.5 because Sid and AO got $9.5 and $8.7 their 2nd contracts. Each year there is a bit of inflation

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

There is no guarantee Marner gets more than 7 nevermind 8. Forsberg, Gaudreau, Heaburdeau, Tarasenko, Kucherov, etc. Are his closest comparables coming out of their elcs. Only Tank got 7.5M and he signed a full 8 years and was considered a top goal scorer in the NHL. If Marner gets 8 he is over paid by a good margin. Even at 7M you better e getting 8 years.

Depends entirely on what Matthews gets IMO.

Its the same scenario as the whole McDavid/Draisaitl thing. Marner will see what AM gets and demand his share accordingly. If Matthews gets 10/11M a year, I have no doubt Marner signs for 8.5 at least.

[dissentowner]

Marner is one of a few wingers I would be happy to see Hamilton traded for. He has Gaudreau level abilities.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Depends entirely on what Matthews gets IMO.

Its the same scenario as the whole McDavid/Draisaitl thing. Marner will see what AM gets and demand his share accordingly. If Matthews gets 10/11M a year, I have no doubt Marner signs for 8.5 at least.

I agree. I was one that posted on here that Chia was dumb to sign McDavid first and Dra second as it will be a tough sell for him to give McDavid at first 13.25 and then tell Dra's agent he is worth 7. Especially when Dra outscored McDavid in the playoffs. Hey we think he is twice as good as you

Same goes for the Leafs. Mathews more than likely gets 10+. So Marner gets 6? That would be a slap in the face to Marner

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

There is no guarantee Marner gets more than 7 nevermind 8. Forsberg, Gaudreau, Heaburdeau, Tarasenko, Kucherov, etc. Are his closest comparables coming out of their elcs. Only Tank got 7.5M and he signed a full 8 years and was considered a top goal scorer in the NHL. If Marner gets 8 he is over paid by a good margin. Even at 7M you better e getting 8 years.

Also Pastrnak (although he got a hefty bonus).

I just don't see Toronto being willing to trade Marner, even though it makes sense for a bunch of reasons.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Nelson

The last part kind of stings. The Flames paid a 3rd and 5th for him because he resigned so it feels like bad asset management to trade him for less. .

If the Flames swapped him for a third that means they basically got 2 years of service from him for a fifth + salary.
not bad at all.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Sorry but your comparables are a bit outdated. Only way Marner gets less than 7 is if he resigns this summer. He might do it too but the cap could hit $80mil most the guys you mention signed when the cap was about $10 mil less

Ry Jo - $8
Drasaitl - $8,5
Kuznetsov - $7.8

To me these are the new comparibles. Ry Jo and Kuznetsov were closer to UFA but all got close to 8 or over 8. Marner is going to get 7 unless it's a bridge and I doubt he goes for that.

If he waits until he hits RFA status the cap could be $82-$84. That will get him 7 for sure

It's like saying Mcdavid won't get $12.5 because Sid and AO got $9.5 and $8.7 their 2nd contracts. Each year there is a bit of inflation

You are comparing Marner a winger to Centres. Drai was signed to be a centre. Centres are worth more than wingers typically. I do agree with what people are saying tho his salary will depend a lot on if they sign Matthews first and at which price tag.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If the Flames swapped him for a third that means they basically got 2 years of service from him for a fifth + salary.
not bad at all.

Yeah, you’re right. A 5th round pick is almost nothing and I think we need some more ammunition for the draft.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

You are comparing Marner a winger to Centres. Drai was signed to be a centre. Centres are worth more than wingers typically. I do agree with what people are saying tho his salary will depend a lot on if they sign Matthews first and at which price tag.

True they are centers but they all signed when the cap was $73 mil

Cap this summer could be $80

When Marner becomes a RFA it could be $82-84. That is a 15% increase.

If Marner signed after a season like this season but under the same cap I would say $6.5 mil would be fair compared to what they got.

$6.5 x 1.15 = $7.47 mil assuming he signs next summer. Maybe this summer he would except 7 if the cap went to $78

This also doesn't factor in what if he has a better year next year? He had a horrible start and ended up with 69 points. He also had a good playoffs. Does that again it's possible he gets 8+

[iloveicedhockey]

I've been checking in on what people are saying about dougie on twitter and if you believe leaf fans, dougie for either marner or nylander would be a huge over pay on their side. They seem to think that kapanen or brown packaged with this year's 1st or liljegren should be enough. As if we don't already have enough prospects in that position (including juuso who we rate above liljegren). Hamilton is just another Gardiner to them. It is twitter though and I'm sure the ridiculousness has been reciprocated by flames fans on there. They also seem to think we're so desperate for cap space that we'd give dougie away to anyone willing to take on Brouwer.

It would take massive cahones from dubas/BT to pull the trigger on a deal like dougie for marner.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Dougies reputation around the league from opposing fans is he is a guy who can score goals but is a liability defensively. Which is why most fan bases seem to make these low ball offers for him.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Marner is one of a few wingers I would be happy to see Hamilton traded for. He has Gaudreau level abilities.

Snagging Dvorak would be fun to get the whole Tkachuk - Dvorak - Marner gang together again. Then again, pretty sure AZ has played Dvorak as a winger so it wouldn’t make much sense for us.

Having Marner on the second line with Tkachuk would be nice though.