Calgary Civic Election: Mayoralty Poll #4 - The Heat is On

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by surferguy

Hey, we're not crowning a royal here, it's just an election!

[HotHotHeat]

^^ Can you put shameless ads in your sig like that? I should hype my water wings company.

[Table 5]

Life is much better with sigs turned off.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by First Lady

I didn't realize Nenshi was in favor of re-opening ring road talks with reserve.

Yah. This combined with what I heard McIver say on QR last week have probably swayed my vote. I might (probably) be voting McIver.

[4X4]

And Vic, stop creeping my truck in the Safeway parking lot. You already have my vote.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Yah. This combined with what I heard McIver say on QR last week have probably swayed my vote. I might (probably) be voting McIver.

Curious on why that may be the case? I don't see why reopening talks hurts, since the original plan is clearly the best option.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Ashartus

He used to, but he resigned when he started considering running for mayor.

Point being, people are accusing the Herald of "bias", when it's pretty hard to make that claim, seeing as how they presumably paid him for the contents of his column for a few years.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by First Lady

I didn't realize Nenshi was in favor of re-opening ring road talks with reserve.

No, it's much better to expropriate and bulldoze people's homes, and cut through a sensitive wetland area.

If a deal could be reached, that would cost less than or equal to the price of the expropriation of all those homes, then it only makes sense to do it.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

No, it's much better to expropriate and bulldoze people's homes, and cut through a sensitive wetland area.

If a deal could be reached, that would cost less than or equal to the price of the expropriation of all those homes, then it only makes sense to do it.

While compared to most of CP, I'm a massive nature lover, the Weaselhead is an artificial construct, and well, if it went away, let's just build another outlet somewhere else.

The Weaselhead Society would love for you to think that it's been there since time immemorial.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by SebC

Still this, eh? Nenshi's position is that he likes Calgary onwning Enmax because it allows the city to do things that private enterprise might not. It's the issue that first got him into politics (he argued against selling it). Of course, he's also said that if someone made him a crazy high offer he'd have to consider it, which I don't think is unreasonable.

http://www.nenshi.ca/new/2010/462
[/LIST]

See, thing is, valuations are not absolutes. Tweak a few numbers here and there, especially around rate of return, and the value of an asset will vary wildly.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Curious on why that may be the case? I don't see why reopening talks hurts, since the original plan is clearly the best option.

We've been trying to reach an agreement for years. They want to cut off their nose to spite their face, go ahead. Obviously they love their land so much that they are not open to reasonable offers. It's time to move on and solve it another way.

Originally Posted by Mathgod

No, it's much better to expropriate and bulldoze people's homes, and cut through a sensitive wetland area.

Oh, the drama! "Peoples' homes!". Like there aren't other houses for sale in this city. Homes had to be expropriated to build the glenome elbow interchange. My grandparents' first farm was expropriated by the airport 50 years ago. They're over it. It's not the end of the world. The indians are calling their land sacred. I think that if anyone gets to be sentimental about land, it's the indians. Us honkeys can suck it up and buy a different house.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Shazam

While compared to most of CP, I'm a massive nature lover, the Weaselhead is an artificial construct, and well, if it went away, let's just build another outlet somewhere else.

The Weaselhead Society would love for you to think that it's been there since time immemorial.

The exposure of the lower wetlands may be the result of the Glenmore Dam built in 1933, but it is more or less untouched since then. Trying to claim that it is an 'artificial construct' ignores that fact that it is still a sensitive wetland that plays a role in the cleanliness of Calgary's drinking water. Not to mention it's vital to the wildlife living there.

Destroying or damaging it, and bulldozing homes in the process, as a lieu to getting back to the table with the Tsu Tina, strikes me as somewhat Neanderthal.

... and that's assuming that we even NEED the SWRR to begin with.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The exposure of the lower wetlands may be the result of the Glenmore Dam built in 1933, but it is more or less untouched since then. Trying to claim that it is an 'artificial construct' ignores that fact that it is still a sensitive wetland that plays a role in the cleanliness of Calgary's drinking water. Not to mention it's vital to the wildlife living there.

Destroying or damaging it, and bulldozing homes in the process, as a lieu to getting back to the table with the Tsu Tina, strikes me as somewhat Neanderthal.

... and that's assuming that we even NEED the SWRR to begin with.

What strikes me as neanderthal is that people act like having the road three miles over is any different than having it on 37th. Either way we're traversing "our drinking water".

[Table 5]

"Rebuiding" another Weaselhead would take generations and a ton of money. Destroying something so amazing would just be pure lunacy, as areas like Fish Creek and Weaselhead/Glenmore are the things that make Calgary attractive and livable, especially because they are in the midst of the city and so accessible. Destroying it all in the name of commute times would be depressing.

[Flames0910]

I didn't realize Nenshi was in favor of re-opening ring road talks with reserve.

It's a new tribal council. Nenshi has said that he would be willing to approach them to see if they would be cooperative.

It's an avenue worth exploring. Maybe don't waste a tonne of resources, but definitely check it out.

[NiklasSundblad]

^^Also, the city wasn't directly involved in the discussion last time around.

Now whether or not the SW ring road is even a good idea is another discussion.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by 4X4

What strikes me as neanderthal is that people act like having the road three miles over is any different than having it on 37th. Either way we're traversing "our drinking water".

It is, because now you're putting a bridge over a relatively thin strip of waterway; not over a large wetland area.

[pepper24]

Originally Posted by Table 5

"Rebuiding" another Weaselhead would take generations and a ton of money. Destroying something so amazing would just be pure lunacy, as areas like Fish Creek and Weaselhead/Glenmore are the things that make Calgary attractive and livable, especially because they are in the midst of the city and so accessible. Destroying it all in the name of commute times would be depressing.

Exactly, folks in the deep SW should be well aware that the commute is terrible when they buy their homes. I'd hate to destroy an environmental gem to shave off a few minutes of people's daily commute who choose to live in a unsustainable communities.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The exposure of the lower wetlands may be the result of the Glenmore Dam built in 1933, but it is more or less untouched since then. Trying to claim that it is an 'artificial construct' ignores that fact that it is still a sensitive wetland that plays a role in the cleanliness of Calgary's drinking water. Not to mention it's vital to the wildlife living there.

1933 is a blink for nature.

And yes, it's an artificial construct, unless you want to think that the Glenmore Dam evolved there.

Destroying or damaging it, and bulldozing homes in the process, as a lieu to getting back to the table with the Tsu Tina, strikes me as somewhat Neanderthal.

The Alberta gov't going back guarantees a richer offer than the last for the Tsuu Tina.

See, if were the Tsuu Tina, I would've hired a few people to give me a number on how much it would cost for alternatives through their land. You're telling me that going through the Weaselhead is a no-go, so the only other real option is expropriation. So, let's find out how much that's going to cost. That number is what I would expect from the Alta gov't.

Quite frankly, I don't mind seeing my aboriginal brothers screwing over rich white people, so there's that too.

... and that's assuming that we even NEED the SWRR to begin with.

Well then, let's not do anything there. That's fine with me too. But Nenshi seems to think otherwise.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Table 5

"Rebuiding" another Weaselhead would take generations and a ton of money. Destroying something so amazing would just be pure lunacy, as areas like Fish Creek and Weaselhead/Glenmore are the things that make Calgary attractive and livable, especially because they are in the midst of the city and so accessible. Destroying it all in the name of commute times would be depressing.

The "midst" of the city? Well then, so be it, Cranston is inner city!