CP Lockout Mafia - Game Over - Players Win!

[agulati]

^^i meant HD and Aeneas

[Mazrim]

Vote Count:
With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch. It takes 3 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn't Voted (8):
activeStick, agulati, Wood, undercoverbrother, stazzy33, octothorp, dissentowner, Anduril

Voted:
undercoverbrother (1): Aeneas

Deadline is April 5th, 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[octothorp]

So, before the Halifax Drunk lynch, I found myself thinking this way: if I’m accurate in my accusations, the mafia won’t want to kill me, which would lend support to my theories. Instead, they would try to discredit me by framing me as the serial-killer. How could I defend against that?

An potential solution occurred to me, which was to log out of Calgarypuck before the lynch, and stay logged out throughout the entire night. And then, if someone tried to frame me, all I needed to do was stay signed-out, wait for someone to notice my disappearance, check my profile page, and see that I hadn’t logged in since before the lynch. I PMed Mazrim to confirm that players with night actions cannot submit their night actions until night officially begins, and then executed my plan, logging out shortly after my vote for Halifax Drunk.

Of course, this required one important thing: another player thinking about it on the same level that I was. I watched Aeneas announce that he tracked me over night and it was ‘interesting’, and then waited, and waited, and waited. Various people joined in on speculating that I could be the serial killer, still nothing. And then I started to worry: if nobody actually makes that connection, how can I prove that I wasn’t online? 72 agonizing hours of not posting on CP would go to waste! I worry that I could be quick-lynched, or I could be mod-killed for not participating.

I’ve taken a couple screen captures of my profile page while still logged out, showing the date. Since Delgar posted a screen capture of a user profile page earlier and nothing was said about it, I think that in-thread images are within the rules (as long as they follow other rules like no showing PMs). But since screen-captures are pretty easy to fake, I thought an animated gif would be more convincing. I opened the current page of the thread, my profile page, and then took a phone video flipping between the two, refreshing my profile page (to prove that the page are fresh and at the location in the address bar), and zooming in on the last activity date: Last Activity: 03-29-2014 06:43 PM. The hammer officially came down at: 03-30-2014, 08:39 AM.


If anyone finds the gif unconvincing due to issues of resolution, I can post a higher resolution version. I'm trying to respect your bandwidth and not post a 15MB animated gif.

Spoiler!

Despite not being logged in, I’ve still been watching the thread and have some further ideas that I’ll be posting today. I think we need to discuss now what direction we want to go tomorrow, depending on tonight’s actions. Voting today and then worrying about tomorrow when it gets here isn’t enough, Especially since the mafia (assuming more than 1 remain) are probably thinking a couple days ahead. The fact that discussion has really slowed to a crawl is deadly, it means mafia (and a serial killer) can just be content to hide and let things play out.

More on that in upcoming posts.

[dissentowner]

Well I for one am not sure how I am voting yet. The assassin is a damn problem for sure, this two for one crap has to stop. The fact that stazzy33 has been randomly blocking other posters night actions kind of upsets me. I am definitely suspicious of Aeneas for various reasons. I am thinking both UCB and octo are players at this point. Who are we on board for guys?

[octothorp]

Okay, the numbers game. This is one big advantage that the mafia have over us: they know the numbers, we don't. They know if there's a serial killer or just a mafia-assassin. We don't.

With 9 people remaining (and assuming an original range of somewhere between 17-9 to 19-7), possible likely counts are:
(players - mafia - serial-killer)
7-2
7-1-1
6-3
6-2-1
5-4
5-3-1

A discussion of each:
7:2
If we take out 1 tonight, They’re down to 1, so assume they kill 1. At 6-1, we’ve now got a bit of a buffer.
If we miss-lynch tonight, then we’re suddenly down to 4-2 in lynch-or-lose territory tomorrow.

7:1:1
Pretty-much the same as above: a successful hit and we're looking for one amongst six, regardless of whether it's mafia or serial-killer. This is slightly better because if we miss, there's still the chance of cross-fire between the remaining mafia and serial killer.

6:3
Say we take out 1 tonight. If we don’t hit their assassin, they take out 2. We’re at 4-2. Next day we take out 1, they can’t possibly have two kills left by that point, unless there’s one guy who can do two kills a night. So likely we’re at 3-1. But one miss anywhere along the way, and we’re dead (lynch-or-lose, the parlance seems to be). This is the scenario that I fear the most, because the mafia can afford to throw someone under the bus for the purpose of misdirection.
If we miss tonight, and they take out two, we're at 3-3 tomorrow and we've lost.

6:2:1
This is slightly better, because at some point the serial killer is going to need to focus on mafia. If we miss with our lynch tonight, the serial killer will need to seriously consider targetting mafia (and honestly I'm surprised he hasn't already).

5:4
Worst-possible scenario. If we don't hit their assassin, they take out two of ours, and by the morning we're down to an even count.
5:3:1
This is slightly better. If we hit one tonight, we need to count on the assassin taking out at least one mafia over the next couple nights to still have a chance.


I think we need to assume 6:2:1 or 6:3. The extreme 5:4 and 5:3:1 is so tough I don't think there's a point in basing any strategy around that. If that's the remaining count, we need crazy luck to win. 7:2 or 7:1:1 is a strong possibility (and I hope that's the case!), but we shouldn't make assumptions that we have that sort of advantage.

[agulati]

Dissentowner, I find it weird that you would mention me in your post. I had no reason to, but for the sake of the players I shared my night action. I have only blocked one person so far. I clearly outlined why I blocked stazzy33 because I doubted that he was a player.

[octothorp]

Serial-killer logic:

If I'm the serial killer right now, and assuming I don't know the numbers, I'm going to be targeting two things: mafia, and players with demonstrated roles. Because these are the two things that would pose the greatest threat: the mafia know who one-another are, so they obviously have a higher chance of killing the serial killer (either intentionally or by chance); and players with known roles eliminate potential serial killer suspects. A best-case scenario for the assassin is all the mafia eliminated, as well as all the players who have a proven role-claim. A bad-case scenario is being left with all players who have made strong roleclaims. A worst-case scenario is being left with multiple mafia and no players. Get rid of the mafia first, and you reduce the potential attacks on you by 50%, and eliminate the side you don't want to be in an end-game against.

You look at the odds thus far: five assassin kills, no mafia have been hit. Five mafia kills, the serial-killer has not been hit. At some point, the odds start to suggest that we are working against one faction with two kills, not two factions with one kill. Another night of two player kills (especially two guys who are well-believed to be players) and I think we can make that assumption.

I'm all for trying to find the serial-killer, I just don't think we have any good leads on him right now.


Anyway, last nights' kills. Both guys with declared (and generally-believed) rolls. Which means that at least one of them was killed not because of who they might have been but because of what they might have said. It's possible that the serial-killer killed one of them as part of an eliminating-proven-roles strategy. If future evidence suggests that there is not a serial-killer but a mafia-aligned assassin, then that means every kill has been a mafia-related assassin. Which means both dsavillain and blaster were eliminated because of a threat that they posed to the mafia, but not a threat that was direct-enough that it would be obvious to the rest of us.

[activeStick]

LOL octo with the epic plan of action and posting a GIF because a picture could be fake... Friggin awesome!!

Logging out and then Aenas saying he tracked octo completely backfired!

I'm voting Aaeneas.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by agulati

Dissentowner, I find it weird that you would mention me in your post. I had no reason to, but for the sake of the players I shared my night action. I have only blocked one person so far. I clearly outlined why I blocked stazzy33 because I doubted that he was a player.

Damn, I am sorry, I had you mixed up with stazzy33. I find it weird he keeps blocking players actions.

[Wood]

Like I said, I was just waiting on Octothorp to comment before I voted. He pretty much what I expected, so I'm voting

I said in my last post that unless Aeneas actually has some evidence pointing to Octothorp im voting for him

He doesn't

Vote: Aeneas

[dissentowner]

stazzy33, tell me why you kept blocking others night actions, what was the thought process behind it?

[octothorp]

Confirmation bias:

This is the element of the game I find hardest right now. Every new piece of information can be interpreted in two ways, because it could be legitimate, or it could be misdirection. And the more it pushes towards sincerity, the more it looks like mis-information. If there are three mafia left, my belief has been for a while that it's Aeneas, UCB, and now Wood. My naturai instinct is to interpret the information in a way that supports my bias.

So when I see Aeneas vote UCB first thing in the morning, this looks like an attempt to distance UCB if Aeneas is lynched and turned out to be mafia. Same with Wood suspecting Aeneas today, or the report about Stazzy - which could be authentic or could be Wood trying to seem trusting of Stazzy enough that if Stazzy is voted out and turns out to be players, it exonerates Wood. I'm particularly skeptical of posts early in a 'day' because this is when the mafia's advantage of planning is at its greatest. They can better formulate plans of how they can control the day.

Of course, it's possible that Aeneas accusing Stazzy, and then Stazzy's whole conversation with Halifax Drunk yesterday and then failed roleblock attempt today could have been misinformation, too. (I recommend rereading his conversation with HD yesterday - it seems authentic to me, but like I say, confirmation bias).





So, trying to take my on my own confirmation bias: if Wood and UCB are totally uninvolved (which I admit is a solid possibility), then that means we need to talk about who else is a serious suspect.

UCB's innocence slight exonerates Agulati, based on his post here:
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...&postcount=968
Which I can't see Agulati saying if he's mafia, unless UCB is too.

If Wood is innocent then assume he's telling the truth about his message from last night. If the message is true, then it does seem more like a mafia plant. Anduril's version raises some questions: why was Anduril's so vague and Wood's specific? This makes is seem like a mafia plant. If Anduril were mafia and Stazzy were innocent, Anduril would make a claim that would make the claim about Stazzy seem true. And if Anduril were mafia and Stazzy were mafia, then the mafia would have sent a post that absolved Stazzy, not one that incriminated him, since he couldn't have been sure that Wood would make.

So we've got a list now:
(Not including Aeneas because him trying to take me down with false tracking claims is, for me, enough to remove all doubt).

Octothorp posts against Timbo, Halifax Drunk, before votes.
Wood (assumed innocent for this exercise)
UCB (assumed innocent for this exercise)
Agulati - posts against Timbo before voting, post defending UCB
Anduril - strongly exonerated by Wood claims and own post
Stazzy - exonerated somewhat by Wood/Anduril claims, HD attacks
Dissentowner - only a suspect if aeneas and halifax drunk attacks were misdirection, which seems unlikely.
Activestick - solid voting/posting record

So that leaves us with this: 8 people, all of whom have solid claims to being players. If tomorrow leads to another two lynchings, then please, whoever survives the night, question absolutely all of your assumptions. It means at least one mafia guy is remaining and they are under deep cover.

If people are patient enough to wait for tomorrow (calendar tomorrow, not game tomorrow) I can post a more thorough 'book' on each player.

[octothorp]

Stazzy roleblocking me:

This was an odd incident, because at first I thought 'oh good, Stazzy's exonerated me', until Agulati announced he had roll-blocked Stazzy, at which point Stazzy announced that he suspected me. Now, I don't think they are working together, based on Stazzy's suspicions of Agulati's underpowered role yesterday (an argument that I found plausible against Agulati, so unlikely to be misdirection). So this means that Stazzy was first willing to exonerate me and then swung very quickly to condemning me, which wasn't totally rational but also doesn't seem consistent to any mafia strategy. If he wanted to condemn me, he would have done-so from the outset. Anyway, I think this exchange didn't exonerate or condemn either Agulati or Stazzy. Though as I noted, unlikely they're working together.

(Not sure if either of you PMed Stazzy to inquire about how the roleblocks resolve, apparently this is not always agreed upon. Some people interpret it that roleblocks happen simultaneously, others interpret it that the block in the way that causes the least conflict).

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by octothorp

So, before the Halifax Drunk lynch, I found myself thinking this way: if I’m accurate in my accusations, the mafia won’t want to kill me, which would lend support to my theories. Instead, they would try to discredit me by framing me as the serial-killer. How could I defend against that?

An potential solution occurred to me, which was to log out of Calgarypuck before the lynch, and stay logged out throughout the entire night. And then, if someone tried to frame me, all I needed to do was stay signed-out, wait for someone to notice my disappearance, check my profile page, and see that I hadn’t logged in since before the lynch. I PMed Mazrim to confirm that players with night actions cannot submit their night actions until night officially begins, and then executed my plan, logging out shortly after my vote for Halifax Drunk.

Of course, this required one important thing: another player thinking about it on the same level that I was. I watched Aeneas announce that he tracked me over night and it was ‘interesting’, and then waited, and waited, and waited. Various people joined in on speculating that I could be the serial killer, still nothing. And then I started to worry: if nobody actually makes that connection, how can I prove that I wasn’t online? 72 agonizing hours of not posting on CP would go to waste! I worry that I could be quick-lynched, or I could be mod-killed for not participating.

I’ve taken a couple screen captures of my profile page while still logged out, showing the date. Since Delgar posted a screen capture of a user profile page earlier and nothing was said about it, I think that in-thread images are within the rules (as long as they follow other rules like no showing PMs). But since screen-captures are pretty easy to fake, I thought an animated gif would be more convincing. I opened the current page of the thread, my profile page, and then took a phone video flipping between the two, refreshing my profile page (to prove that the page are fresh and at the location in the address bar), and zooming in on the last activity date: Last Activity: 03-29-2014 06:43 PM. The hammer officially came down at: 03-30-2014, 08:39 AM.


If anyone finds the gif unconvincing due to issues of resolution, I can post a higher resolution version. I'm trying to respect your bandwidth and not post a 15MB animated gif.

Spoiler!

Despite not being logged in, I’ve still been watching the thread and have some further ideas that I’ll be posting today. I think we need to discuss now what direction we want to go tomorrow, depending on tonight’s actions. Voting today and then worrying about tomorrow when it gets here isn’t enough, Especially since the mafia (assuming more than 1 remain) are probably thinking a couple days ahead. The fact that discussion has really slowed to a crawl is deadly, it means mafia (and a serial killer) can just be content to hide and let things play out.

More on that in upcoming posts.

Originally Posted by octothorp

Okay, the numbers game. This is one big advantage that the mafia have over us: they know the numbers, we don't. They know if there's a serial killer or just a mafia-assassin. We don't.

With 9 people remaining (and assuming an original range of somewhere between 17-9 to 19-7), possible likely counts are:
(players - mafia - serial-killer)
7-2
7-1-1
6-3
6-2-1
5-4
5-3-1

A discussion of each:
7:2
If we take out 1 tonight, They’re down to 1, so assume they kill 1. At 6-1, we’ve now got a bit of a buffer.
If we miss-lynch tonight, then we’re suddenly down to 4-2 in lynch-or-lose territory tomorrow.

7:1:1
Pretty-much the same as above: a successful hit and we're looking for one amongst six, regardless of whether it's mafia or serial-killer. This is slightly better because if we miss, there's still the chance of cross-fire between the remaining mafia and serial killer.

6:3
Say we take out 1 tonight. If we don’t hit their assassin, they take out 2. We’re at 4-2. Next day we take out 1, they can’t possibly have two kills left by that point, unless there’s one guy who can do two kills a night. So likely we’re at 3-1. But one miss anywhere along the way, and we’re dead (lynch-or-lose, the parlance seems to be). This is the scenario that I fear the most, because the mafia can afford to throw someone under the bus for the purpose of misdirection.
If we miss tonight, and they take out two, we're at 3-3 tomorrow and we've lost.

6:2:1
This is slightly better, because at some point the serial killer is going to need to focus on mafia. If we miss with our lynch tonight, the serial killer will need to seriously consider targetting mafia (and honestly I'm surprised he hasn't already).

5:4
Worst-possible scenario. If we don't hit their assassin, they take out two of ours, and by the morning we're down to an even count.
5:3:1
This is slightly better. If we hit one tonight, we need to count on the assassin taking out at least one mafia over the next couple nights to still have a chance.


I think we need to assume 6:2:1 or 6:3. The extreme 5:4 and 5:3:1 is so tough I don't think there's a point in basing any strategy around that. If that's the remaining count, we need crazy luck to win. 7:2 or 7:1:1 is a strong possibility (and I hope that's the case!), but we shouldn't make assumptions that we have that sort of advantage.

Originally Posted by octothorp

Serial-killer logic:

If I'm the serial killer right now, and assuming I don't know the numbers, I'm going to be targeting two things: mafia, and players with demonstrated roles. Because these are the two things that would pose the greatest threat: the mafia know who one-another are, so they obviously have a higher chance of killing the serial killer (either intentionally or by chance); and players with known roles eliminate potential serial killer suspects. A best-case scenario for the assassin is all the mafia eliminated, as well as all the players who have a proven role-claim. A bad-case scenario is being left with all players who have made strong roleclaims. A worst-case scenario is being left with multiple mafia and no players. Get rid of the mafia first, and you reduce the potential attacks on you by 50%, and eliminate the side you don't want to be in an end-game against.

You look at the odds thus far: five assassin kills, no mafia have been hit. Five mafia kills, the serial-killer has not been hit. At some point, the odds start to suggest that we are working against one faction with two kills, not two factions with one kill. Another night of two player kills (especially two guys who are well-believed to be players) and I think we can make that assumption.

I'm all for trying to find the serial-killer, I just don't think we have any good leads on him right now.


Anyway, last nights' kills. Both guys with declared (and generally-believed) rolls. Which means that at least one of them was killed not because of who they might have been but because of what they might have said. It's possible that the serial-killer killed one of them as part of an eliminating-proven-roles strategy. If future evidence suggests that there is not a serial-killer but a mafia-aligned assassin, then that means every kill has been a mafia-related assassin. Which means both dsavillain and blaster were eliminated because of a threat that they posed to the mafia, but not a threat that was direct-enough that it would be obvious to the rest of us.

Originally Posted by octothorp

Confirmation bias:

This is the element of the game I find hardest right now. Every new piece of information can be interpreted in two ways, because it could be legitimate, or it could be misdirection. And the more it pushes towards sincerity, the more it looks like mis-information. If there are three mafia left, my belief has been for a while that it's Aeneas, UCB, and now Wood. My naturai instinct is to interpret the information in a way that supports my bias.

So when I see Aeneas vote UCB first thing in the morning, this looks like an attempt to distance UCB if Aeneas is lynched and turned out to be mafia. Same with Wood suspecting Aeneas today, or the report about Stazzy - which could be authentic or could be Wood trying to seem trusting of Stazzy enough that if Stazzy is voted out and turns out to be players, it exonerates Wood. I'm particularly skeptical of posts early in a 'day' because this is when the mafia's advantage of planning is at its greatest. They can better formulate plans of how they can control the day.

Of course, it's possible that Aeneas accusing Stazzy, and then Stazzy's whole conversation with Halifax Drunk yesterday and then failed roleblock attempt today could have been misinformation, too. (I recommend rereading his conversation with HD yesterday - it seems authentic to me, but like I say, confirmation bias).





So, trying to take my on my own confirmation bias: if Wood and UCB are totally uninvolved (which I admit is a solid possibility), then that means we need to talk about who else is a serious suspect.

UCB's innocence slight exonerates Agulati, based on his post here:
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...&postcount=968
Which I can't see Agulati saying if he's mafia, unless UCB is too.

If Wood is innocent then assume he's telling the truth about his message from last night. If the message is true, then it does seem more like a mafia plant. Anduril's version raises some questions: why was Anduril's so vague and Wood's specific? This makes is seem like a mafia plant. If Anduril were mafia and Stazzy were innocent, Anduril would make a claim that would make the claim about Stazzy seem true. And if Anduril were mafia and Stazzy were mafia, then the mafia would have sent a post that absolved Stazzy, not one that incriminated him, since he couldn't have been sure that Wood would make.

So we've got a list now:
(Not including Aeneas because him trying to take me down with false tracking claims is, for me, enough to remove all doubt).

Octothorp posts against Timbo, Halifax Drunk, before votes.
Wood (assumed innocent for this exercise)
UCB (assumed innocent for this exercise)
Agulati - posts against Timbo before voting, post defending UCB
Anduril - strongly exonerated by Wood claims and own post
Stazzy - exonerated somewhat by Wood/Anduril claims, HD attacks
Dissentowner - only a suspect if aeneas and halifax drunk attacks were misdirection, which seems unlikely.
Activestick - solid voting/posting record

So that leaves us with this: 8 people, all of whom have solid claims to being players. If tomorrow leads to another two lynchings, then please, whoever survives the night, question absolutely all of your assumptions. It means at least one mafia guy is remaining and they are under deep cover.

If people are patient enough to wait for tomorrow (calendar tomorrow, not game tomorrow) I can post a more thorough 'book' on each player.

Originally Posted by octothorp

Stazzy roleblocking me:

This was an odd incident, because at first I thought 'oh good, Stazzy's exonerated me', until Agulati announced he had roll-blocked Stazzy, at which point Stazzy announced that he suspected me. Now, I don't think they are working together, based on Stazzy's suspicions of Agulati's underpowered role yesterday (an argument that I found plausible against Agulati, so unlikely to be misdirection). So this means that Stazzy was first willing to exonerate me and then swung very quickly to condemning me, which wasn't totally rational but also doesn't seem consistent to any mafia strategy. If he wanted to condemn me, he would have done-so from the outset. Anyway, I think this exchange didn't exonerate or condemn either Agulati or Stazzy. Though as I noted, unlikely they're working together.

(Not sure if either of you PMed Stazzy to inquire about how the roleblocks resolve, apparently this is not always agreed upon. Some people interpret it that roleblocks happen simultaneously, others interpret it that the block in the way that causes the least conflict).

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[Aeneas]

Originally Posted by activeStick

LOL octo with the epic plan of action and posting a GIF because a picture could be fake... Friggin awesome!!

Logging out and then Aenas saying he tracked octo completely backfired!

I'm voting Aaeneas.

I am curious how you came to the conclusion that my night activity backfired.
Or that me saying what I did in any way backfired.
I await enlightenment, O Sleuth Aktivsticky.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Wood

Like I said, I was just waiting on Octothorp to comment before I voted. He pretty much what I expected, so I'm voting

I said in my last post that unless Aeneas actually has some evidence pointing to Octothorp im voting for him

He doesn't

Vote: Aeneas

Hi Tim Thomas Here!!

I am also voting Aeneas! Thats a two vote deal for the price of one!! Can you believe it? It is a limited time offer!

VOTE: AENEAS























































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[Wood]

I think we have a pretty much guaranteed vote here with Aeneas, but after that who do we think is left? I think it makes sense for there to be 1 mafia left, and one assasin. One of those should be Aeneas. We'll know if only one player is killed at night

Let's not vote Aeneas out yet cause I'd like to see what octothorp has to say, me and UCB are both on board with pretty much everything he's saying

[Wood]

Originally Posted by octothorp

So when I see Aeneas vote UCB first thing in the morning, this looks like an attempt to distance UCB if Aeneas is lynched and turned out to be mafia. Same with Wood suspecting Aeneas today, or the report about Stazzy - which could be authentic or could be Wood trying to seem trusting of Stazzy enough that if Stazzy is voted out and turns out to be players, it exonerates Wood. I'm particularly skeptical of posts early in a 'day' because this is when the mafia's advantage of planning is at its greatest. They can better formulate plans of how they can control the day.

If Wood is innocent then assume he's telling the truth about his message from last night. If the message is true, then it does seem more like a mafia plant. Anduril's version raises some questions: why was Anduril's so vague and Wood's specific? This makes is seem like a mafia plant

The message is "authentic". I got it from Mazrim about an hour before the game reopened and I was waiting to post it, I was obviously pretty excited cause I had something new. At first I actually took it as fact, and I PMd UCB saying we need to get Stazzy. After reading into it more and asking if it could possibly be from mafia, I realized it most likely was

The exact message is:

"Hot/cold streak has been confirmed as NOT being a valid power in this game. Someone is misleading us."

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Aeneas

I am curious how you came to the conclusion that my night activity backfired.

Or that me saying what I did in any way backfired.

I await enlightenment, O Sleuth Aktivsticky.

You posted earlier that you tracked octo and your results were interesting and wanted him to answer for it. Octo however, has submitted evidence that he was offline before Night started until today which means you couldn't have found anything interesting at all.

This is of course assuming octo can't perform Night actions if he's offline.

So you were trying to create suspicion on him but octo has proved it was a lie.

Unless I'm missing something?

[Aeneas]

Originally Posted by Wood

I think we have a pretty much guaranteed vote here with Aeneas, but after that who do we think is left? I think it makes sense for there to be 1 mafia left, and one assasin. One of those should be Aeneas. We'll know if only one player is killed at night

Let's not vote Aeneas out yet cause I'd like to see what octothorp has to say, me and UCB are both on board with pretty much everything he's saying

tis not as wide as a churchdoor, nor as deep as a well but ask for me tomorrow and you shall find me a grave man.