Poachers chopper into S. African game reserve, kill last female rhino

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

western cultures eat cow tongue and heart all the time. It's what is added to lean ground beef to make it "extra lean" at the supermarket. All meat, no fat. To make regular ground beef, they add fat.

as per a relative who worked in the meat department at Superstore.

I made this really easy for you this time.

beef meat only
other ingredients not allowed
maximum fat levels:
extra lean - 10%
lean - 17%
medium - 23%
regular - 30%

Beef tongue, lips, internal organs (e.g., heart meat), and spinal cords are not considered to be "meat" and therefore, are not permitted in "beef trimmings."

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/.../burgere.shtml

[Canuck-Hater]

Whats so wrong about being a vegetarian/vegan? At least you know you made a healthy choice. Im not saying meat isnt healthy but you can get Iron from many other sources. I would imagine its good for you, but I like a juicy steak once in a while so wont be switching.

[Pinner]

Saw this on Global BC tonight, huge money involved.

Does anyone else think it's weird that Environment Canada is in charge of enforcement?

The company faces another five counts under WAPPRIITA for allegedly possessing CITES-listed animal derivatives that were illegally imported, including African elephant, monkey, bear and crocodile.

Yuk Chiu Chan, an alleged affiliate of both companies, faces all of the above charges as a co-accused. The total retail value for these illegally imported goods is estimated to be approximately $400,000.

http://www.marketwire.com/press-rele...da-1290359.htm

[FlamesAddiction]

We used to eat stuff like tongue, blood sausage/pudding, and lots of organ meat growing up. We even had occasional chicken feet.

I also remember my grandmother used to boil the flesh off of a pigs head and we'd eat the congealed matter that results. I seem to recall eating cow tail before too.

When the older generation died, so did these habits. It's not just an Asian thing... it is common in some parts of Europe too.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by Regorium

I thought long and hard about how to state how ridiculously offended I was at the attitudes of this thread as a Chinese person, but you've put it in a very succinct and articulate manner for me. Thanks.

Is your username actually Legolium?

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Itse

It's pretty commonly accepted in "the West" that while local culture is an important factor in what can be considered right or wrong actions, there are still things that are universally bad. Many westerners consider mistreatment of animals to be a universal evil.

You may not like what is said in this thread, but if you want to criticize the discussion, you really should turn your eyes from the straw man of western superiority to some actual target. Basicly I see two options:

a) Claim that universal evil does not exist. You'll find plenty of material to back you up, but I think you'll find it a tough sell. I suggest starting new thread, might be interesting.
b) Start arguing that poaching animals to the point of extinction for reasons of superstition/tradition and/or abuse of animals for entertainment purposes do not belong in the category of universal evils. Personally I think this is essentially impossible unless you want to go into quite abstract definitions of universal evil.

For somebody who is taking the intellectual high road, that's pretty loaded.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

Is your username actually Legolium?

Hahaha, I laughed hard.

[Itse]

Tongue and heart are meat by any definition, since they are muscles.

EDIT: Appararently not everywhere anymore. However, this was the norm until less than ten years ag.

The traditional definition of meat is basicly "animal parts you can eat".

Industrialization has actually vastly widened what parts of animals can be used for
consumption, hence the need for definitions such as "mechanically separated meat". Skin has also made it's way into foodstuff thanks to industrial processing. Bones are grounded up and used for animal food (dog food for example).

There is a movement to label anything not considered prime meat to be labeled as something other than meat, but in the end it will do very little. There will always be places for the rest of the animal. If all else fails, it will be go to school and and army food

Humans are constantly coming up with new ideas to make money out of animals, some of them quite surprising. http://library.witpress.com/pages/Pa...?PaperID=21169

[Itse]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

For somebody who is taking the intellectual high road, that's pretty loaded.

My aim was to bash gently on the head the people that seem to believe that we shouldn't say bad things about the Chinese because they are not like us.

Some people just can't grasp the idea that to criticize something is not the same as completely deeming the thing worthless.

As to semantics, poaching is a crime well defined. You can argue that it shouldn't be a crime, but to not call it poaching would be misguiding.

As to "animal abuse", I have no reason to hide my bias

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm sure that the folks in India think that we're unrepentant savages for our butchery of cows.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

We used to eat stuff like tongue, blood sausage/pudding, and lots of organ meat growing up. We even had occasional chicken feet.

I also remember my grandmother used to boil the flesh off of a pigs head and we'd eat the congealed matter that results. I seem to recall eating cow tail before too.

When the older generation died, so did these habits. It's not just an Asian thing... it is common in some parts of Europe too.

Ox tail is some of tastiest meat around. Tongue wasn't bad either. My mom is usually the token whitey ordering chicken feet at dim sum...

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Pinner

I made this really easy for you this time.





http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/.../burgere.shtml

huh
interesting, given the meat department knowledge.....

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

huh
interesting, given the meat department knowledge.....

Hot dogs and other processed "meats" are suspect and I avoid.

The processed "burger" products like premade patties and breakfast type sausages, bologna etc. are also avoided, there's alot of "stuff" in those products to "enhance" the flavors, no thanks.

Global BC interviewed a lady that specializes in traditional Chinese medicine and she said there were sustainable alternatives for EVERY illegal product in traditional medicines. No need to import illegal products.

That $400,000 bust should send a message.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by Pinner

I made this really easy for you this time.





http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/.../burgere.shtml

HOWEVER:

"Beef Burgers"

• fresh boneless or fresh mechanically separated beef or both
• filler optional

Nutrition Facts table required

So long as it's called Burgers, and not Patties, you can have filler. But wow, interesting point. Those names are pretty specific. Most people wouldn't give a second thought to the difference between "Beef Burgers" and "Beef Patties". Also, I am a little disappointed. I don't think people should be as picky about their meat as they are.

[holden]

Rhino poaching on the increase in South Africa

17 August 2010

The South African wildlife service says poaching of rhinos is escalating at an unprecedented rate.

More than 150 have been killed so far this year, with many of them targeted in private game reserves.

A reserve just outside Johannesburg has just had its last adult rhino poached as the BBC's Jonah Fisher reports.

VIDEO:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-10999487

[VladtheImpaler]

The one good thing about all the "trophy" animals being exterminated is that it brings the "human hunt" that much closer...

[Jackpot_Smooth]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Ox tail is some of tastiest meat around. Tongue wasn't bad either. My mom is usually the token whitey ordering chicken feet at dim sum...

Oxtail is f'ing delicious.

[icarus]

Maybe all the private security contractors that are getting let go in Afghanistan can go to South Africa instead!

[Cactus Jack]

Originally Posted by icarus

Interestingly, when I lived in South Africa I think I actually heard more about abalone poaching than rhino poaching. For those who don't know, an abalone is a sea snail.

From Wikipedia:

That's very interesting. Abalones in Chile are called Locos and are frigging expensive. But so delicious. Now, Chile is a relatively cheap country but even going down there with Canadian dollars they are still very expensive when compared to other types of shells. It's because they are becoming harder to find. I spoke last year to a Peruvian friend about it (remember that Chile and Peru are neighbours and share the same Pacific coast) and he was surprised. He said locos in Peru are frigging cheap and plentiful. I'm not sure if Chile (a country with many more regulations in comparison) has legislation or enforcement on it, but that may be a factor.

[Rifleman]

I read an article on the internet about how N. America is now the home to more tigers than the entire world. And this is because people buy them as cubs then abandon them when they get older and too big to handle.

I'm thinking maybe the solution to making sure animals stay off the endangered list is to set up reserves and bring them over here? We can protect them much better if they are over on this side of the pond, and the demand for the parts isn't as high.