May 20th is Everyone Draw Mohammad Day

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by photon

Lol, I don't think he meant it to imply that Muslims aren't people, but that Muslims are a subset of people.

To what point, to say that we shouldn't respect them the same as other people?

"everybody draw mohammed" basically amounts to two wrongs making a right.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Pinner

You would think the normal Muslims would stop the ass-hats from their extremism.

You would think the normal Christians would stop the abortion clinic bombers and the AIDS funeral protestors from their extremism.

Crazy people are going to act crazy. You just hope that no one is grouping you in with them, and you try not to group anyone undeserving in with them either.

[Muta]

I wonder what the response would be to a Muslim that drew disparaging pictures of Mohammed?

Would it be the same rage and retaliation that these (assumedly) non-Muslims drew, or would there be more or less tolerance?

You'd think that there would be less tolerance in this situation given their knowledge (and belief) of Islam, and then extremists would just flat-out ignore non-Muslims who do it, since assumedly, they wouldn't usually know a great deal about Muhammed, the Qaran and other Islamic references. They would just ignore them and laugh at those non-Muslims that do the drawings, since they ignorant and irrelevant to begin with.

But I guess that isn't the case.

[IliketoPuck]

Its surprising that a debate about religion always ends up veering in the same direction.

In my opinion, everyone is too sensitive these days. You can say something completely reasonable, and someone will take it out of context and get upset about it.

Multicultualism is a great thing, but people need to understand that someone somewhere is going to get upset about just about anything that could have even a remote connection to their lives.

Drawing Mohammed? What a surprise that some muslim people will get upset.

Calling a white guy a caucausian truck driving hick? Yea they probably won't take it as a compliment.

People play the race card so much to prove their point or arguement. It's too bad we can't as a society just talk about issues in a logical manner without bringing race and religion to the forefront everytime.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Muta

I wonder what the response would be to a Muslim that drew disparaging pictures of Mohammed?

Would it be the same rage and retaliation that these (assumedly) non-Muslims drew, or would there be more or less tolerance?

You'd think that there would be less tolerance in this situation given their knowledge (and belief) of Islam, and then extremists would just flat-out ignore non-Muslims who do it, since assumedly, they wouldn't usually know a great deal about Muhammed, the Qaran and other Islamic references. They would just ignore them and laugh at those non-Muslims that do the drawings, since they ignorant and irrelevant to begin with.

But I guess that isn't the case.

I think a muslim who drew Mohammed would be treated extremely harshly. "Apostates" are not treated well in many parts of the islamic world.

That's why you can also look at this event as a victory for moderate muslims. Not everyone in the world has the freedom to stand up to extremism without fear of retribution to themselves and their families.

I know several moderate muslims. Out of respect for their beliefs I will not be donating my facebook profile to this cause. I would hope that they would respect my beliefs as well, and I value their friendship.

By that same token, I continue to support what the movement stands for.

[burn_this_city]

This is such a rad idea. Anyone know when draw a lynched black guy day is? Or draw Moses standing in the gas chamber in auschwitz day? Or how about hindu eating steaks with vishnu day? Or Jesus pounding Peter from behind like brokeback mountain day? Come on theres got to be a few days a year where all us bigots bandy together to inflame a group of people.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Originally Posted by blankall

The purpose is defiance of an infringement on Freedom of Expression and Religion.

Death threats have been made, and peolpe are standing up and saying they will not be affected by these threats.

Yes it may result in in a "rise" but it also might result in a much needed change in attitude. Quite frankly if someone is so irrational that a cartoon convinces them to kill someone, they were probably going to do it anyway. They just would've found some other excuse.

Blamming the "draw Mohammed" crowd for any potential ensuing violence is like blamming a woman who was raped because she didn't dress conservatively enough. In both cases 100% of the blame lies at the feet of the purpotrators of the act of violence.

Ideally everything you say sounds good, and I don't disagree with you if that's the main goal. And I think if this movement was started by a more legitimate group, I might give it a bit more credit too. However, I'm pretty sure the Facebookers that started this are doing nothing more than trying to start an Internet craze. The article even said that most, if not all, professional comic book artists are steering clear of this. I could be wrong, but I'm thinking the reason for this movement is not an honourable one :P

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

In 2006, Abdul Rahman, a convert from Islam to Christianity, was facing the death penalty for apostasy in Afghanistan. Essentially, an entire society - it's culture - felt his "crime," the freedom to choose his religion, was so heinous that the ultimate penalty was just.

There's just a certain "groupthink" about Islam that screams "Middle Ages" or, a more modern word, "immaturity."

Cowperson

What about the apparent Catholic "groupthink". You're very selective in your criticisms of various religions.

Just say what's in YOUR heart Cow. Islam in any form is evil.

In your world the worst of Islam seems to represent all of Islam.

[firebug]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

This is such a rad idea. Anyone know when draw a lynched black guy day is? Or draw Moses standing in the gas chamber in auschwitz day? Or how about hindu eating steaks with vishnu day? Or Jesus pounding Peter from behind like brokeback mountain day? Come on theres got to be a few days a year where all us bigots bandy together to inflame a group of people.

Today is!

<- LBGD

<- MIGC

<- HESwV

<- JPPfB

Any more people I can offend with smileys?

~firebug

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

This is such a rad idea. Anyone know when draw a lynched black guy day is?

Martin Luther King Day

Or draw Moses standing in the gas chamber in auschwitz day?

April 20th. Might as well.

Or how about hindu eating steaks with vishnu day?

If you ask Apu, he made the switch to Tofu and nobody noticed!

Or Jesus pounding Peter from behind like brokeback mountain day?

Toronto do have a pretty huge Pride Parade every year.

Come on theres got to be a few days a year where all us bigots bandy together to inflame a group of people.

Game day against the Nucks or Oilers!

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

What about the apparent Catholic "groupthink". You're very selective in your criticisms of various religions.

Just say what's in YOUR heart Cow. Islam in any form is evil.

In your world the worst of Islam seems to represent all of Islam.

He left my train story alone too.

So heres a question for the Islamics on this board. If your children chose to be catholic would you be accepting of it? What about athiesm?

[Sluggo]

Knowing how well FB values privacy, it surprises me how many people are willing to join that group. ... I just checked FB to get a current number of followers and I guess they removed that page probably fearing the consequences for its members.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Sluggo

Knowing how well FB values privacy, it surprises me how many people are willing to join that group. ... I just checked FB to get a current number of followers and I guess they removed that page probably fearing the consequences for its members.

[Sluggo]

Nope I lied I guess they removed the search through facebook feature but Google found it... 100k and growing.

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by Sluggo

Nope I lied I guess they removed the search through facebook feature but Google found it... 100k and growing.

That's alot of infidels to blow up

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Pinner

That's alot of infidels to blow up

Yeah, but they have nukes now, so it all evens out.

[Ozy_Flame]

I can circumvent all this craziness and make everybody happy.


The prophet Mohammed:

[Traditional_Ale]

"Man's game, b***h!"

[SebC]

Originally Posted by troutman

This is not a game. Freedom of speech is cold comfort if some nut job terrorists attack the innocent.

So... are you advocating to just give the nut job terrorists what they want?

[flylock shox]

From the WaPo article linked on page 1:

As a protest, "Everybody Draw Muhammad Day" was planned after the creators of TV's "South Park" complained last month that Comedy Central edited their attempts to render Muhammad.

In this case it's Comedy Central, not any islamic group, that was responsible for constraining freedom of expression in the South Park episode in question. It seems to me the protest really should be directed to the network, which made a business decision to edit out images of the prophet. Beyond that, in these circumstances, it just seems pointlessly inflammatory.