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looooob · 02-19-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I know, he is a Flame and he is the best. Just keep repeating that. The other guys are all younger and only getting better - I'm not telling you that's how I rank them, but where I think Yzerman & Co. rank them.

he's not the best.

Crosby is obviously the class of the field, the 3 San Jose guys are having good offensive seasons and team success

statistically this season Iginla is very much on par with the next tier of offensive forwards as listed above (and to be fair Richards and Toews like he are stuck on a lower line). age isn't that critical over the next 10 days he's not going to decline that quickly. I suppose the argument might be that hockey canada is grooming the younger guys for next time, as they did with Bouwmeester

Ace Handy · 02-19-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I know, he is a Flame and he is the best. Just keep repeating that. The other guys are all younger and only getting better - I'm not telling you that's how I rank them, but where I think Yzerman & Co. rank them.

This isn't the kind of tournament to bring guys for their improvement. They need to be good NOW. Take them back to the World Championships if you want to give them international experience.

After last night I am very concerned with our coaching and that the correct players were chosen for the correct reasons, ie. Doughty.

the_professsor · 02-19-2010, 03:53 PM

i still can't believe Mike Greene isn't on the team...our 8th D for the taxi squad is Robidas....something is wrong there

Azure · 02-19-2010, 03:58 PM

They didn't take Green because he sucks at playing defense.

Better to take Seabrook and just bench him.

the_professsor · 02-19-2010, 04:02 PM

2nd in the NHL for plus minus among Dmen. regardless of how good his team is, he can't be that bad defensively

Ark2 · 02-19-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by the_professsor

i still can't believe Mike Greene isn't on the team...our 8th D for the taxi squad is Robidas....something is wrong there

I don't know if I agree that they should have taken Green, but I just don't understand why they had to choose Doughty. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good defenseman, but I don't get why they had to select him so that he could cut his teeth in this tournament. The kid is only 20 years old and he is bound to make mistakes... maybe it would be a little better for his game to mature at the expense of the Kings before he suits up for Canada.

Ark2 · 02-19-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by the_professsor

2nd in the NHL for plus minus among Dmen. regardless of how good his team is, he can't be that bad defensively

Ovechkin leads the league in +/-. Are you saying that he is a good defensive player?

HPLovecraft · 02-19-2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ark2

Ovechkin leads the league in +/-. Are you saying that he is a good defensive player?

So would you leave him off the national team because he's bad defensively?

Ark2 · 02-19-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

So would you leave him off the national team because he's bad defensively?

probably

the_professsor · 02-19-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ark2

Ovechkin leads the league in +/-. Are you saying that he is a good defensive player?

that's a good point. I don't wanna argue how good Greene is at defence cause he's really not. I still think he should be on the team, at least as a PP specialist. Shea Weber on the PP? The guy just blasts shots without looking, he's got a better chance of hurting one of our guys than scoring (just ask Heatley, or Erat, or Legwand...)

Resolute 14 · 02-19-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by the_professsor

2nd in the NHL for plus minus among Dmen. regardless of how good his team is, he can't be that bad defensively

Plus-Minus is not a measure of defensive ability.

stignasty · 02-19-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Plus-Minus is not a measure of defensive ability.

+/- is a shaky stat in any case. That's not going to stop me from saying "Scott Niederminus" every chance I get though.

Azure · 02-19-2010, 04:14 PM

I guess if they put Bergeron on the team to win faceoffs, than they could have picked Green to run the PP.

Diet Water · 02-19-2010, 04:24 PM

Green is only second to one player in the NHL in powerplay points while having played 4 less games, leaving him off the team was a mistake.

When a questionable player has a good +/- people claim the stat is useless, when one has a terrible +/- they bring it up to show how poor defensively he is.

the_professsor · 02-19-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Plus-Minus is not a measure of defensive ability.

I guess Lidstrom's +430 over his career has nothing to do with his defensive ability. Just a coincidence.

Smell My Finger · 02-19-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

Prove Babcock is a great coach? really? thats not hard

Iggy Says...

Hey Babcock got one of these. Keep Benching Me and you won't.

DrJ · 02-19-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by silentsim

The funniest part of CP: People thinking they know more then a coach who has won at the highest levels in the NHL.

That was the spirit of my post in the "Iggy Benched" thread.

Sorry if I was over-defensive. I just know Babs on a personal level and I know his attention to detail first hand and that he demands the best out of his players.

Flames_Gimp · 02-19-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

What do you expect from someone with the word "bab" in their name?

or coc.......

CGY12 · 02-19-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DrJ

That was the spirit of my post in the "Iggy Benched" thread.

Sorry if I was over-defensive. I just know Babs on a personal level and I know his attention to detail first hand and that he demands the best out of his players.

So why were guys like Getzlaf and Staal getting a regular shift even though they were turning the puck over routinely?

Smell My Finger · 02-19-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DrJ

That was the spirit of my post in the "Iggy Benched" thread.

Sorry if I was over-defensive. I just know Babs on a personal level and I know his attention to detail first hand and that he demands the best out of his players.

So what did Iggy do to warrent Babcock's WRATH. Iginla was not on the Ice for any GA nor did he turn the puck over. The few shifts he had Iginla created either energy with hits or scoring chances.
Babcock is playing head games With Crosby Nash and Iginla pure and simple and if Canada does not win gold. It is his pompas lack of realization that this is not a marathon like the NHL playoffs. This is a 1 week tournement and he is going to need all the vetran help and scoring he can muster. Even with this talented roster that he is tampering with.