U of C tuition to go up: way up

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Orange

Tuition increases are nothing short of ridiculous, it's pratically to give Harvey his $4.75M going away present.

I completely disagree with this. The last thing you want to do is make first and second year engineering any easier, that's a sure fire way to make our (now way overpriced) engineering diplomas worthless. You'd really be amazed by the pure incompetence that some of the students that make it through second year show.

If anything I'd say make those years harder which would reduce the class sizes (a common complaint) and give the engineering program at the U of C a more "elite" status. That could be worth the price of increase tuition...except they can't afford to fail any more students because they need the money from them to pay off their debt, what a joke.

It should be harder to begin the entrance requirements that is. That way you'll have smaller class sizes, competent students, and not a crazy work load.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

It should be harder to begin the entrance requirements that is. That way you'll have smaller class sizes, competent students, and not a crazy work load.

Post-secondary institutions rely on the income of the lamers.

[Orange]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

It should be harder to begin the entrance requirements that is. That way you'll have smaller class sizes, competent students, and not a crazy work load.

Going off on a tangent from the original topic here, but I don't think that would solve the problem actually, at least not to such an extent that increasing the toughness of first year would do.

A lot of the students that may not be exactly qualified to be engineers when they do get their degrees seem to be the ones who coast through high school with ease, got top marks, and never really learnt the merit of hard work and studying. Whereas you got the other end of the spectrum where the people may not be the brightest students in the class but they study, and study some more, and do their own work and don't cheat on tests and actually learn the stuff, and they will make much better engineers.

And then of course you got the extremely smart and hard working individuals who are, and should be, at the top of the class.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Orange

Going off on a tangent from the original topic here, but I don't think that would solve the problem actually, at least not to such an extent that increasing the toughness of first year would do.

A lot of the students that may not be exactly qualified to be engineers when they do get their degrees seem to be the ones who coast through high school with ease, got top marks, and never really learnt the merit of hard work and studying. Whereas you got the other end of the spectrum where the people may not be the brightest students in the class but they study, and study some more, and do their own work and don't cheat on tests and actually learn the stuff, and they will make much better engineers.

And then of course you got the extremely smart and hard working individuals who are, and should be, at the top of the class.

As is the case with any reasonable set of individuals, they follow the bell curve. Ain't no amount of high school grade filtering goin' to change that.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Still the only issue of content that I really have is not that they are increasing tuition but the fact that they are doing it only to the Engineering,Business, Medicine and Law classes/students.

We are not receiving any better instruction in one of those classes then say a Political Science or Art class but we are expected to pay a premium because it is implied that people in these faculties will make more money when they finish.

This is the biggest issue I have with this pay increase. I'm only second year so I haven't had too much experience with a lot of the Haskayne profs yet, but paying $4k a semester to be taught by the likes of Anita Lakra and Rob Isaac is a tough pill to swallow. I'd be inclined to agree with whoever mentioned that whatever incentive to go to U of C is now gone.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by boogerz

This is the biggest issue I have with this pay increase. I'm only second year so I haven't had too much experience with a lot of the Haskayne profs yet, but paying $4k a semester to be taught by the likes of Anita Lakra and Rob Isaac is a tough pill to swallow. I'd be inclined to agree with whoever mentioned that whatever incentive to go to U of C is now gone.

Paying ANY amount to get taught by Lakra is borderline criminal. But don't worry, it's more than made up for by some of the other profs Haskayne has to offer.

The more I am in the workforce, the more I have come to appreciate what U of C did for me, but my program was VERY workplace applicable and relevant, so that helps. And the only way you can actually realise the positives of graduating from U of C are experience and moving on with life. Trust me you'll look back and you will not regret anything.

My life is far superior than what it would have been without the U of C. The price of which far exceeds whatever these increases may be, as crappy as they may be.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

It should be harder to begin the entrance requirements that is. That way you'll have smaller class sizes, competent students, and not a crazy work load.

The crazy work load serves a purpose in workplace preparation. Engineers can be pretty annoying sometimes so it's good to keep them busy anyway.

Yes I'm joking. (Kind of).

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by Shazam

So I was listening to QR77 a couple of days ago; some Liberal MLA was blathering that the increases were to cover huge losses incurred by the U of C from asset-backed invesment losses. Any truth to this?

I'm not sure that this is a move to cover their losses but, yes, the UofC lost a boat load of money in investments when the market crashed. Show me an investor that didn't lose money though, all universities had the same thing happen.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

One more thing, in Engineering they try to get rid of students in first and second year with some insane course loads, they gotta stop that BS, cuz it would really suck paying that much for the first 2 years and than get kicked out and be in this massive debt.

I hear this all the time and it is a complete fallacy. No department tries to purposely get rid of students. It just doesn't happen. Each department wants to MAXIMIZE the number of quality students they graduate each year and the university wants to keep getting their tuition. They don't want you to drop out, period. If a student quits or fails, the onus is entirely on the student.