Palin considers a Palin-Beck 2012 Ticket...yes...Glenn Beck

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Gozer

The only difference between the Daily Show and CNN or Fox is the image they portray. "Worldwide news leaders" and "Fair and Balanced" are funnier to me than "Goofy noises and sarcasm."

Other than who they say they are, they're all the same. Just trying to pander to their audience, support their narrative, and avoid doing anything long enough to become boring.

Actually, it probably says the 18-30 group is easily bored and not particularly serious, with Jon Stewart recognizing a market and a unique, modern method to bring that demographic into the heavier aspects of debate.

That would be very similar to Fox News recognizing, rather brilliantly I might add, from a business point of view, that people like to hear their news from someone they already agree with . . . . . a model more recently being followed by MSNBC on the left wing. CNN, with the gassing of Lou Dobbs, is clearly hoping there is a market in neutrality, something O'Reilly was scoffing at the other day when Dobbs was his guest.

The "warm blanket factor" is the real result of modern technology fracturing the dispensing of news in the new world.

So, I don't believe people when they say Stewart is "just an entertainer." He's just another warm blanket, albeit a quirky one.

He likes to say he's an entertainer, to try and separate himself before he comes down like a ton of bricks on a hapless victim, but he has to know he's not . . . . at least not in his manner and not to a certain demographic. It's also, very clearly, a way for him to escape his critics when they come for him.

A guy like Stewart and his method of news delivery, however, might actually be a good thing if it gets that younger demographic more interested in serious issues than they might have been otherwise. That's really where he may deserve credit.

In another century, I was once a writer. I don't mind telling people I was completely bored with English classes in school and my professional writing style was, in fact, heavily influenced by comic books. Is that a crime? Nope. Without Sgt. Fury and His Howling Commando's, I may not have had the communication skills I've had at a later date in life.

Whatever works.

Just don't tell me Jon Stewart is an entertainer. And don't let him get away with it if he says that's all he is.

Cowperson

[Gozer]

I totally agree with that Cowperson. I'm one of those people you're talking about, Stewart actually turned me on to politics in a big way. I was a teen that liked the show and that's I learned the cast of characters which helped me become much more informed.

And I also agree that he is not a comic and I think he hides behind that far too often. I remember he was doing an interview with someone who was a political anarchist (there's a better term but it evades me) and Stewart kept cutting his legs out from under him as he was trying to make a point.

"Instead of having a tax-funded city department to collect garbage..."
"People don't like having garbage pile up on their lawn. Hey everybody, let's live like Oscar the Grouch. But seriously, thanks for coming."

And his guest never even got to state his stance. That's just irresponsible - no matter how he brands his show.

[Thor]

This is hilarious, if you goto Palin's book on Amazon and check out the "customers also bought these...." you'll see tons of Glen Beck stuff and some really interesting books, about conspiracies, evil socialist plots, etc..

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006...pf_rd_i=507846

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Gozer

"Instead of having a tax-funded city department to collect garbage..."
"People don't like having garbage pile up on their lawn. Hey everybody, let's live like Oscar the Grouch. But seriously, thanks for coming."

And his guest never even got to state his stance. That's just irresponsible - no matter how he brands his show.

Acutally, this is one of the reasons I stopped watching Stewart as frequently as I used. I find he's become a little bitter, hostile and antagonistic with his guests. One of my favourite things about The Daily Show pre-2005 was the fact that Stewart presented the opportunity for guests on both sides of the spectrum to share their messages. Now he just tends to belittle the guests he doesn't agree with.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Gozer

I totally agree with that Cowperson. I'm one of those people you're talking about, Stewart actually turned me on to politics in a big way. I was a teen that liked the show and that's I learned the cast of characters which helped me become much more informed.

And I also agree that he is not a comic and I think he hides behind that far too often. I remember he was doing an interview with someone who was a political anarchist (there's a better term but it evades me) and Stewart kept cutting his legs out from under him as he was trying to make a point.

"Instead of having a tax-funded city department to collect garbage..."
"People don't like having garbage pile up on their lawn. Hey everybody, let's live like Oscar the Grouch. But seriously, thanks for coming."

And his guest never even got to state his stance. That's just irresponsible - no matter how he brands his show.

I agree. That doesn't change that he has done a lot of good by tearing apart some influential people. Bill Kristol and Jim Kramer are the two examples that come to mind. He's a brilliant guy.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Thor

This is hilarious, if you goto Palin's book on Amazon and check out the "customers also bought these...." you'll see tons of Glen Beck stuff and some really interesting books, about conspiracies, evil socialist plots, etc..

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006...pf_rd_i=507846

And if you look up Glenn Beck on Youtube, you will see many of his "fans" have also uploaded such video classics as; "Is Obama the anti-Christ?"... a question that Glenn Beck once posed to a John McCain supporting minister on his show before.

[HotHotHeat]

Does her book give any sort of vision for America, as she imagines? Or does it spend the entire time blaming the McCain campaign for how stupid she looked last fall?

[Dion]

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

But the fact is she still has the attention of a handful of the American people. That in and of itself is rare and powerful.

There was so much wrong with your post I wasn't sure where to start, so I figured making one factual correction was as good a place as any.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

There was so much wrong with your post I wasn't sure where to start, so I figured making one factual correction was as good a place as any.

No it is you who are in denial. Palin's interview on Oprah gave Oprah the largest viewship she has had in two years.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

No it is you who are in denial. Palin's interview on Oprah gave Oprah the largest viewship she has had in two years.

Most everybody likes watching a train wreck.

[Vulcan]

I'm not much of a fan of Stewart but comediens have been making social commentary since before I can remember so J. Stewart is well within his bounds as an entertainer with his show. It's a different format with having guests whereas before TV interview shows, the comic would just give a monologue or do a skit. As for him being an entertainer being an out, I think everyone should have to back up their statements.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

No it is you who are in denial. Palin's interview on Oprah gave Oprah the largest viewship she has had in two years.

True, but you have to remember the curious liberal elites, and the dedicated conservative right who for 1hr switched from Fox news to Oprah and then promptly returned to their biblical channel.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

No it is you who are in denial. Palin's interview on Oprah gave Oprah the largest viewship she has had in two years.

Everyone likes a massive failure. Her biggest problem is she doesn't know her limitations. Instead she blames her party and the media for her failings. Maybe someday she'll admit she wasn't qualified - somehow I doubt it.

A part of me hopes she runs again and gets embarrassed.

[starseed]

Dr. Seuss was not an entertainer in the years he made those political cartoons. Everyone knows that.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Dion

Everyone likes a massive failure.

If that were true Obama wouldn't be tanking in the polls.

Originally Posted by Dion

Her biggest problem is she doesn't know her limitations. Instead she blames her party and the media for her failings. Maybe someday she'll admit she wasn't qualified - somehow I doubt it.

A part of me hopes she runs again and gets embarrassed.

No. Her biggest problem is that the media is too preoccupied asking questions about her conflicts with McCain and her daughter's ex boyfriend. They don't seem to have time to look at her politics.

Sarah's book isn't centered around her short run as VP as much as her accomplishments as a Mayor and Governor and the principles that guide her in politics. She speaks of her faith and the roll that faith plays in her politics. She speaks of policies and solutions for America. Maybe her principles and solutions are faulty but, you don't know that. You won't listen to anything but the noise the MSM is generating about her. Sarah Palin isn't the one who is demonstratively ignorant here.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

If that were true Obama wouldn't be tanking in the polls.

Pretty tough to be a President during these tough times. Not sure your McCain would have faired any better. Obama made some tough choices and I respect him for that.

No. Her biggest problem is that the media is too preoccupied asking questions about her conflicts with McCain and her daughter's ex boyfriend. They don't seem to have time to look at her politics.

No. She had problems with the questions Charles Gibson and other reporters posed to her. And they weren't about her family. Clearly she wasn't prepaired. Of course Palin refuses to acknowlage that and uses the gotcha journalism for her defence.

Sarah's book isn't centered around her short run as VP as much as her accomplishments as a Mayor and Governor and the principles that guide her in politics. She speaks of her faith and the roll that faith plays in her politics. She speaks of policies and solutions for America. Maybe her principles and solutions are faulty but, you don't know that. You won't listen to anything but the noise the MSM is generating about her. Sarah Palin isn't the one who is demonstratively ignorant here.

Quitting as governer of Alaska isn't much of an accomplishment. It doesn't speak highly of her principles when she can't finish a term she was elected for. When the going gets tough Sarah quits. That the message she sent to the people of America.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

If that were true Obama wouldn't be tanking in the polls.




No. Her biggest problem is that the media is too preoccupied asking questions about her conflicts with McCain and her daughter's ex boyfriend. They don't seem to have time to look at her politics.

Sarah's book isn't centered around her short run as VP as much as her accomplishments as a Mayor and Governor and the principles that guide her in politics. She speaks of her faith and the roll that faith plays in her politics. She speaks of policies and solutions for America. Maybe her principles and solutions are faulty but, you don't know that. You won't listen to anything but the noise the MSM is generating about her. Sarah Palin isn't the one who is demonstratively ignorant here.

I'm so glad the media decided to make her the dumbest politician. She can't name a Supreme Court case off the top of her head. You guys are Canadian so that might not properly explain why this is so stupid. Supreme Court cases are extremely important in shaping America's history, if you cannot explain them you have no clue as to how America works. Simple as that. She's uneducated and ignorant and loves every minute of it. It's despicable.

[Dion]

In her widely watched Oprah appearance, for example, Palin said that she resented people questioning her ability to serve as vice-president while being a mother to five children – something a man would never be asked. But Palin also complained that in her interview with Couric, she thought she would be speaking to the reporter "working mom [to] working mom" and that she was annoyed with "her badgering and questions".

In other words, Palin thought that because Couric was a woman, she wouldn't take her job as a journalist seriously. Palin expected a puff piece instead of pesky questions about economics, abortion and Palin's policies – you know, things a "working mom" couldn't possibly be bothered with. Palin also noted that while she didn't blame people for thinking she was unqualified to be vice-president after the disastrous interview, the segment was edited in a way that didn't paint her in the most flattering light. Well, welcome to the world of the media!

You simply can't have it both ways – it's ridiculous to be upset about being treated differently by the public because you're a woman and a mother, while demanding the same biased treatment when it might give you the edge in an interview. Hers is a gender politics of convenience, one that insults all women in politics.

Of course, this performance of martyrdom is nothing new. During her run, Palin blamed everyone from the media to the Obama campaign for her faltering public image, instead of owning up to the fact that this has always been a narrative of her own creation.

Switching stories aside, the real problem is that instead of talking about the future – something she will surely have to do if the rumours of a 2012 presidential run are true – Palin continues to point fingers at the past. She's given no indication of who she really is outside of this constructed woe-is-me tale. And if Palin doesn't know who she is, other than a "maverick" jilted by her political handlers, how can she possible expect the American public to trust her?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...resident-palin

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

JC Watts.

He won't run though, he's been in the private sector too long now.

Former Quarterback of the Ottawa Rough Riders.