CFL vs NFL vs NCAA

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

CFL is by far the best game

NFL has by far the best talent

NCAA i could not care less about.

This is like saying you prefer Baby Duck to Dom Parignon.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by Pastiche

Whelp, thanks for proving to everyone that you don't watch the CFL. If there's one clear distinct advantage the athletes of the CFL have over the NFL it's the ability to catch a football. I can't for the life of me believe the amount of dropped balls in the NFL.

I like CFL alot more than the NFL. Mostly because I just hate the NFL's rules, low scoring, conservatism, and the 'clock management' mindset. How many times do I hear in a telecast, oh, this QB's a good game manager. Meaning that he just throws it away at the sign of trouble and stops the clock.

I have yet to see a compelling argument in this thread as to why the rules of the NFL are better. What's the problem with the rouge? To me it adds extra unpredictability to the game and forces teams to be more offensive because the natural order of scores and field goals to TIE is upset. Forces teams to go for it more, more two point converts, more on-side kicks, you know more exciting things.

I just feel that alot of NFL fans are brainwashed into thinking that conservative boring game is superior because of those very virtues. I really think though that the CFL gets alot of hate because it's harder to gamble on.

oh man, the bolded comment boggles my mind! The 2 things that bother me most in the CFL are the shoddy tackling, and the DROPPED BALLS! Terrell Owens had a league high 33 dropped balls....SINCE 2005! in 4 seasons, he dropped 33 balls...That is just over 8 a season, or 1 every 2 games.

In the CFL, you will see 5-8 dropped passes a game. That blows me away....and as a fan, is truly frustrating to watch.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

oh man, the bolded comment boggles my mind! The 2 things that bother me most in the CFL are the shoddy tackling, and the DROPPED BALLS! Terrell Owens had a league high 33 dropped balls....SINCE 2005! in 4 seasons, he dropped 33 balls...That is just over 8 a season, or 1 every 2 games.

In the CFL, you will see 5-8 dropped passes a game. That blows me away....and as a fan, is truly frustrating to watch.

Bit of an exaggeration there.

Take last night for example - the Stamps probably had about 7-8 drops and that was probably the worst case I've seen all year for any CFL team.

I'd say average for a CFL game is more like 3-4.

Either way, using TO as the baseline isn't really fair either. You don't see guys like Rambo and Copeland dropping those passes on a consistent basis. How much does an average NFLer WR drop the ball, not an elite one (arguably) like TO?

[calgaryrocks]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

oh man, the bolded comment boggles my mind! The 2 things that bother me most in the CFL are the shoddy tackling, and the DROPPED BALLS! Terrell Owens had a league high 33 dropped balls....SINCE 2005! in 4 seasons, he dropped 33 balls...That is just over 8 a season, or 1 every 2 games.

In the CFL, you will see 5-8 dropped passes a game. That blows me away....and as a fan, is truly frustrating to watch.

ha, and your comment sort of boggles my mind. your saying one of the best recievers has the highest amount to dropped balls? that seems wierd. anyways your comparing his stats to an entire team during a game?
as JayP mentioned, the game last night was brutal for dropped balls, and there was probably like 8. usually you might see 2 in a game that were catchable. if terrel owens drops one every two games, then what about the rest of his team? add another 3 recievers at the same rate and that = 4 drops in 2 games. thats the same as the CFl on average.
its kind of a dumb argument though as i don't know where the 33 number you gave comes from. how do they measure dropped balls? there has to be some grey area where you allow for bad throws, pass interference and defensive plays

[calgaryrocks]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

This is like saying you prefer Baby Duck to Dom Parignon.

ive never had either, but if your saying baby duck is like the cfl, then i love baby duck

[rubecube]

It's kind of a silly argument either way. Pastiche is making his argument based on watching the Jaguars last week. Ignoring the fact that it was week 1 in the NFL, the Jaguars have one of the worst receiving corps in the NFL.

[rubecube]

Dragging up this thread because something's been bothering me and I don't want to troll the CFL threads. I see all these CFL fans getting giddy about this weekend because of all the playoff implications, and I think to myself "Really? You're that crazy about playoff implications in a league where you had a 75% chance of making the playoffs before the season even started?"

It's one of my biggest beefs in the CFL. You can be an absolutely terrible team and still have a shot at the championship at the end of the year. How many teams have won the Grey Cup with a losing record? People may say that's a great thing about CFL, because it's unpredictable. Maybe, but it also means that the regular season games means jack .

[calgaryrocks]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Dragging up this thread because something's been bothering me and I don't want to troll the CFL threads. I see all these CFL fans getting giddy about this weekend because of all the playoff implications, and I think to myself "Really? You're that crazy about playoff implications in a league where you had a 75% chance of making the playoffs before the season even started?"

It's one of my biggest beefs in the CFL. You can be an absolutely terrible team and still have a shot at the championship at the end of the year. How many teams have won the Grey Cup with a losing record? People may say that's a great thing about CFL, because it's unpredictable. Maybe, but it also means that the regular season games means jack .

hehe i understand what your saying rube (and appreciate it being in the right thread), but we (as CFL fans) don't focus on the percentage of how to make the playoffs, teams still miss, even if its not as many as you would like. Toronto and...wait, we still don't know, will miss the playoffs this season. ask hamilton fans if its that easy to make the playoffs the past 8 years.
that and the excitement of this weekend is on the games which will decide positioning, when there are only 3 spots in each division ( 4 teams, i know i know) getting first is more important. and when that many teams still have important games its more exciting then when its not. calgary and sask are playing for first, maybe this is more exciting for rider fans as they haven't hosted the west final in some 30 years and the Stamps hosted last year. but the Stamps record in the west semi the last few years has been BAD, so it is important. that and it means you only need to win one more game to get to the grey cup.

of course it will likely come down to calgary and sask in the west final anyways.

edmonton, or bc, or winnipeg, or hamilton will miss the playoffs.
so instead of what you would prefer, lots of teams fighting for one spot, its a few teams fighting to not be 'that' team that misses the playoffs.
not ideal, but still entertaining nonetheless.

it'll be this way until ottawa and another eastern team (quebec or moncton/halifax) get a stadium built and ownership (Ottawa just needs the stadium). seeing as that will likely be another 5 years maybe 10, we just enjoy it for what it is.

i guess its perspective, not being a baseball fan, i don't like that so few teams make the playoffs, but im sure baseball fans love it.

maybe the regular season doesn't mean as much this way, but look at hockey, you can have a great october/november or a horrible one, but will probably still be in the race in february/march. the regular season still means something, but it is about getting hot before the playoffs, i agree with that. the Lions in '00, Stamps in '01. but the last few years its teams with winning records. look at the Stamps last year, they struggled the first half then took off after labourday, the best team in the league won, because they put it together during the season. the season is where you have your struggles and try and put the pieces together, like Hamilton seems to have done lately.

i guess its like an nfl game vs cfl game (rough comparison). someone i know who is an NFL fan said its like in an NFL game, you watch the whole game, its the same througout and often a team wins because of the whole game and it might not be close at the end, but fans enjoy anyways. in a CFl game it more likely comes down the the end, the game is in doubt til late, and you can watch the last q.

in the CFL, you can have a bad start, but put it together, that doesn't mean you will. Toronto had some pieces, but were never able to solve their problem of lack of execution, despite being in close games, or Hamilton last year, they had close games but couldn't get over that hump.

i guess in a way you are right, the reg season isn't as important as it would be if only 2 teams made the playoffs, but then you almost might as well decide the championship based on the regular season.

theres a balance that fans want, the reg season must be important, but means squat if you don't win in the playoffs. the playoffs are what matters, and that is true of the CFL. its easier to make the playoffs then other leagues, but you still have to show up and excute in the playoffs, no matter how good you are (or think you are). like Montreal the last 10 years or Calgary in the '90s.

or, as a Flames fan, the Flames over the past year years have made the playoffs, great, but done nothing upon getting there.

wow, long post hehe.
/rant

[_Q_]

Whatever league you follow, it is a stupid sport either way. It's not like I haven't ever watched a football game before, but I can't really get excited over it. Whether it is the vastly more talented NFL, the passion of the NCAA or the local heros in the CFL, it is still lame. Here's a list I came up with a few months ago:

1) First and foremost. Why the hell is it called football? They use their feet only to run. Who came up with the idea to name this sport the exact same thing as one of the most beautiful sports played in the world? I realize that they both come from a common root, but so does rugby, and nobody calls rugby football. Football as the rest of the world knows it, is simple, beautiful, poetic, intense and free flowing. "Football" as Americans know it is ugly, slow and overly complicated. This brings me to my next point,

2) Way too complicated. Why is there so many rules? Why is there so many different ways to score? Have any of you ever tried to explain this sport to someone who doesn't understand it? Its nearly impossible. "Yeah its really simple, all you gotta do is get the ball to the other end after that line and then you get 7 points, but if you don't you still have a chance at getting 3, but wait if you do get it to the other end you don't really get 7 points, you actually get 6, but most of the time they kick it in to get another point, which always works, but if you really want you can get 2 points if you run it in instead... oh and there's these things called downs, you want to get a first down as much as possible....." AAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! why?? explain hockey to someone and it just goes like this "you have to get that round rubber thing called a puck in the other teams net which gives you a point. The team with the most points wins". Same thing goes for the real football as well.

3) Football players are big gaping vaginas! Yes I said it. Anyone that can call himself an athlete and get away with playing only 16 games in a year is a pu**y. On top of that, they wear enough equipment that if they got ran over by a train they would still survive. You think that you need all that equipment to play a tough sport like football? NOPE! Look at rugby, which is a lot tougher than American Football, but yet they wear only a jock strap. Those are real men.

4) Finally. It's too slow. I would rather not watch a 12 second play every minute of the game. This sort of thing takes the sport out of any activity and turns it more into a giant chess match. Plus you can get really excited over a play and then half the time there is a flag on the play and they call some obscure penalty which slows down the game significantly..... "oh yes... I think they got a touchdown!!! oh no wait.... oh the ref called a penalty on my team damn it!... what? oh yeah... the quarterback can't throw the ball on a monday night that has a full moon with the receiver more than 16 yards away if it's the 3rd down... idiots what were they thinking?"

In my mind, any sport that is worth watching is everything that "football" isn't.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Whatever league you follow, it is a stupid sport either way. It's not like I haven't ever watched a football game before, but I can't really get excited over it. Whether it is the vastly more talented NFL, the passion of the NCAA or the local heros in the CFL, it is still lame. Here's a list I came up with a few months ago:

1) First and foremost. Why the hell is it called football? They use their feet only to run. Who came up with the idea to name this sport the exact same thing as one of the most beautiful sports played in the world? I realize that they both come from a common root, but so does rugby, and nobody calls rugby football. Football as the rest of the world knows it, is simple, beautiful, poetic, intense and free flowing. "Football" as Americans know it is ugly, slow and overly complicated. This brings me to my next point,

2) Way too complicated. Why is there so many rules? Why is there so many different ways to score? Have any of you ever tried to explain this sport to someone who doesn't understand it? Its nearly impossible. "Yeah its really simple, all you gotta do is get the ball to the other end after that line and then you get 7 points, but if you don't you still have a chance at getting 3, but wait if you do get it to the other end you don't really get 7 points, you actually get 6, but most of the time they kick it in to get another point, which always works, but if you really want you can get 2 points if you run it in instead... oh and there's these things called downs, you want to get a first down as much as possible....." AAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! why?? explain hockey to someone and it just goes like this "you have to get that round rubber thing called a puck in the other teams net which gives you a point. The team with the most points wins". Same thing goes for the real football as well.

3) Football players are big gaping vaginas! Yes I said it. Anyone that can call himself an athlete and get away with playing only 16 games in a year is a pu**y. On top of that, they wear enough equipment that if they got ran over by a train they would still survive. You think that you need all that equipment to play a tough sport like football? NOPE! Look at rugby, which is a lot tougher than American Football, but yet they wear only a jock strap. Those are real men.

4) Finally. It's too slow. I would rather not watch a 12 second play every minute of the game. This sort of thing takes the sport out of any activity and turns it more into a giant chess match. Plus you can get really excited over a play and then half the time there is a flag on the play and they call some obscure penalty which slows down the game significantly..... "oh yes... I think they got a touchdown!!! oh no wait.... oh the ref called a penalty on my team damn it!... what? oh yeah... the quarterback can't throw the ball on a monday night that has a full moon with the receiver more than 16 yards away if it's the 3rd down... idiots what were they thinking?"

In my mind, any sport that is worth watching is everything that "football" isn't.

I would tear that apart bit by bit but the mass ignorance you displayed throughout that post has already made it clear to everyone that you're 100% clueless, so I'll offer a quick summary.

1) Idiotic. Why do they call it hockey?

2) Too many ways to score? There are 2 ways to score. Counting above 1 appears to be a weakness for you. Maybe this complaint is based on a personal sore spot. How many points do you get for a try? Are you forgetting about conversions in rugby? And drop goals. What about explaining the soccer offside rule, that's a real simple one for the uneducated fan. And ya, there's no rules in hockey at all.

3) Idiotic. I've played football and rugby and pretty high levels and football left my body way more destroyed. It's not even close.

4) Legit argument. I can respect that the time between plays bothers people, it bothers me at times.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Dragging up this thread because something's been bothering me and I don't want to troll the CFL threads. I see all these CFL fans getting giddy about this weekend because of all the playoff implications, and I think to myself "Really? You're that crazy about playoff implications in a league where you had a 75% chance of making the playoffs before the season even started?"

It's one of my biggest beefs in the CFL. You can be an absolutely terrible team and still have a shot at the championship at the end of the year. How many teams have won the Grey Cup with a losing record? People may say that's a great thing about CFL, because it's unpredictable. Maybe, but it also means that the regular season games means jack .

This is a complaint about the league, not the game itself. Ideally, the CFL would have 10 teams, and 6 make the playoffs.

[worth]

I don't have time to respond to all points, but I will respond to the first of Q's.

You need to take a look at the history of "football". Gridiron football (Canadian and American) is derived from Rugby. In the original form of football, the only way to advance the ball was by kicking it with your...wait for it...foot. Thus the name football. The forward pass wasn't introduced into the game until many many years later.

A game like football changes and evolves as different groups pick up on it. People adjust the rules until you finally get what you see today. Even in the NHL and all other sports leagues, rules change don't they? Everyone gets together and discusses what they want to change about the game. This happened in the 1800's and 1900's with football too. They intoduced the forward pass, but they wern't going to change the name because of it.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by valo403

I would tear that apart bit by bit but the mass ignorance you displayed throughout that post has already made it clear to everyone that you're 100% clueless, so I'll offer a quick summary.

1) Idiotic. Why do they call it hockey?

2) Too many ways to score? There are 2 ways to score. Counting above 1 appears to be a weakness for you. Maybe this complaint is based on a personal sore spot. How many points do you get for a try? Are you forgetting about conversions in rugby? And drop goals. What about explaining the soccer offside rule, that's a real simple one for the uneducated fan. And ya, there's no rules in hockey at all.

3) Idiotic. I've played football and rugby and pretty high levels and football left my body way more destroyed. It's not even close.

4) Legit argument. I can respect that the time between plays bothers people, it bothers me at times.

Well ice hockey as we know it is similar enough to field hockey but on ice. American football is nothing like football (soccer) that it is a bit insulting to anyone that follows soccer regularly.

There are 3 ways to score in the NFL (touchdown, field goal, safety) and 4 ways to score in CFL (same as NFL plus the extra point for missing a field goal). Personally I think it is too much and makes the sport too difficult to follow, although I do agree with you about rugby being similar. Not saying that there are no rules in soccer or hockey, but football seems too technical. It ruins any fun. I have watched games where they argue for what seems like 15 minutes about whether the player's right foot is technically in bounds while he caught the ball and if the defender was commiting a penalty against the quarter back or if he was impeded after the play and if player number 60 was onside..... Seems more like football is too involved with technicalities and strategy as opposed to talent. Not saying we don't get that sometimes in the NHL, but it is usually whether the goal crossed the goal line or not which happens maybe once every 10 games as opposed to 10 times each game. If the NHL was anything like the NFL or CFL we would get a review everytime a questionable icing was called or a questionable penalty... mistakes happen in any sports and that is one of the best parts of sport.

I have also played both football and rugby, maybe not at the level you have, but at some level and found rugby much harder on the body than football. There aren't many overweight rugby players, but lots of obese football players and I don't know about you, but I would rather get run over by a 300 pound pillow as opposed to a 220 pound freight train.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Well ice hockey as we know it is similar enough to field hockey but on ice. American football is nothing like football (soccer) that it is a bit insulting to anyone that follows soccer regularly.

There are 3 ways to score in the NFL (touchdown, field goal, safety) and 4 ways to score in CFL (same as NFL plus the extra point for missing a field goal). Personally I think it is too much and makes the sport too difficult to follow, although I do agree with you about rugby being similar. Not saying that there are no rules in soccer or hockey, but football seems too technical. It ruins any fun. I have watched games where they argue for what seems like 15 minutes about whether the player's right foot is technically in bounds while he caught the ball and if the defender was commiting a penalty against the quarter back or if he was impeded after the play and if player number 60 was onside..... Seems more like football is too involved with technicalities and strategy as opposed to talent. Not saying we don't get that sometimes in the NHL, but it is usually whether the goal crossed the goal line or not which happens maybe once every 10 games as opposed to 10 times each game. If the NHL was anything like the NFL or CFL we would get a review everytime a questionable icing was called or a questionable penalty... mistakes happen in any sports and that is one of the best parts of sport.

I have also played both football and rugby, maybe not at the level you have, but at some level and found rugby much harder on the body than football. There aren't many overweight rugby players, but lots of obese football players and I don't know about you, but I would rather get run over by a 300 pound pillow as opposed to a 220 pound freight train.

No player at an elite level of football is obese. I'd rather be run over by the 240lb second rower than the 275lb linebacker who moves just as fast and uses his equipment as a weapon, which has become it's primary function. Even playing at a low level you'd know that football players explode into tackles, while rugby players absorb and try to pull the opponent in order to have a better chance of winning the ball out of the ruck.

I'm fine with people not liking football, not every sport is for everyone, but try not to be so ignorant about the game in your criticism. Things like calling players vaginas makes you nothing more than a troll.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by valo403

No player at an elite level of football is obese. I'd rather be run over by the 240lb second rower than the 275lb linebacker who moves just as fast and uses his equipment as a weapon, which has become it's primary function. Even playing at a low level you'd know that football players explode into tackles, while rugby players absorb and try to pull the opponent in order to have a better chance of winning the ball out of the ruck.

I'm fine with people not liking football, not every sport is for everyone, but try not to be so ignorant about the game in your criticism. Things like calling players vaginas makes you nothing more than a troll.

I guess I don't know enough about "football", but I know enough to know that it's a joke. Sorry for offending you. Don't be so sensitive... you must be a football player ....... maybe if we call for a review of the play the big bad referee will fix everything for you.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by troutman

This is a complaint about the league, not the game itself. Ideally, the CFL would have 10 teams, and 6 make the playoffs.

Fair enough, but it's part of the turn-off. I'd love to seem them knock it down to the top 2 teams in each division play a best of 3 or something and then have the two winners square off in one game for the Grey Cup.

Take out one regular reason game and add an extra week for playoffs.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I guess I don't know enough about "football", but I know enough to know that it's a joke. Sorry for offending you. Don't be so sensitive... you must be a football player ....... maybe if we call for a review of the play the big bad referee will fix everything for you.

So troll it is.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by valo403

So troll it is.

Yes velo.... yes I am. Showing an opinion that doesn't agree with yours makes me a troll.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Yes velo.... yes I am. Showing an opinion that doesn't agree with yours makes me a troll.

There's a difference between showing an opinion and talking trash.

As I said, I'm fine with people not liking football, I don't expect everyone to like it. The difference is you've come in here saying things like football players are vaginas etc., made claims about rules that are totally false, and just generally said a bunch of BS. That's being a troll.

[Sainters7]

Don't even waste your time trying to reason with a rugby guy when it comes to football, they simply refuse to listen. I work part-time at a place that is almost exclusively full of rugby players(including my boss), and drink with em at the Rugby Club occassionally and I've had this talk way too much. I like the sport and the guys I work with are beauties, but I swear to God I've never met more drunken, meatheaded athletes than rugby players.