#@&!#ing Magpies!

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by BOSSY

They figure out pretty quick that it's fake - they are "highly intelligent" afterall...

I say kill them... Kill them all! - insert sadistic laugh here...

That's why you always see Corvids making a laughing stock of Scarecrows - they end up perching on the arms, etc. since they realize it's fake.

[Dion]

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Animal rights means recognizing that there is no moral basis, none, for deciding that you have basic rights and that all other animals on the face of the earth, from oysters to chimps, don't. Every creature needs is the right to stay alive, to breathe, to escape unnecessary pain, to shelter, to be free to move about, and to love. As time goes by man has learned from his mistakes. Once rights only belonged to the white man. Everyone else had to fight for theirs or someone else had to fight for them! Institutionalized children used to be used for experiments. So were POW's, gypsies, the elderly, and gay people. Women were thought to be so stupid that allowing them to vote was akin to allowing asses to vote. African American people were thought to be subhuman. People think we can eat and wear and experiment on animals because they think human beings are superior. If I am superior to you does that mean I can kill you for sport or make you dance for me? Were we not taught that might does not always make right? I can make the case that I am superior to a person in a coma or a mentally ######ed person but that does not mean I can skin them and wear them as a fashion accessory or test drain cleaner on them, does it?
Yes, I know, animals are dumb, they can't speak. Does that mean that any dumb individual or group or non communicative being isfair for exploitation?? Should we start making leather furniture out of the hard of hearing or those who can't perform in a spelling bee? If not then that logic fails. It's the same argument the Nazis used to perform hideous on non-Aryan children. They thought Jews were inferior and therefore they could, with complete impunity,cause the Jews pain and suffering and deprive them of life.

Holy hyperbole Batman! I can't believe you just compared killing animals to Nazi's murdering Jews and other forms of discrimination against humans. I have a lot of sympathy for animal rights, but I draw the line when the value of an animals life is held to the same regards as that of a human, any human (within reason of course ie, Clifford Olson, Paul Bernardo, etc, etc). Do I think that anyone should inflict undue suffering on an animal, no. But at the same time, do I think that we should test drugs on animals before they are given to humans, hell yes. God knows how many lives have been saved thanks to the sacrifices of rats, pigs and chimps... and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Not that I am saying that we should go out and start torturing animals because we can, but the way in which the world works is that sometimes we are able to exploit animals for our personal needs, this includes food and safety (drug testing).

People, regardless of race or religion are more valuable my my view than any animal.

Edit: Except for superdogs... they are awesome.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Holy hyperbole Batman! I can't believe you just compared killing animals to Nazi's murdering Jews and other forms of discrimination against humans. I have a lot of sympathy for animal rights, but I draw the line when the value of an animals life is held to the same regards as that of a human, any human (within reason of course ie, Clifford Olson, Paul Bernardo, etc, etc). Do I think that anyone should inflict undue suffering on an animal, no. But at the same time, do I think that we should test drugs on animals before they are given to humans, hell yes. God knows how many lives have been saved thanks to the sacrifices of rats, pigs and chimps... and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Not that I am saying that we should go out and start torturing animals because we can, but the way in which the world works is that sometimes we are able to exploit animals for our personal needs, this includes food and safety (drug testing).

People, regardless of race or religion are more valuable my my view than any animal.

Edit: Except for superdogs... they are awesome.

Your post reeks of ignorance. Science says we are all animals. The comparisons I made are totally the same thing, the fact that you have tunnel vision about the facts because you think you are superior as a human does not change the facts.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Your post reeks of ignorance. Science says we are all animals. The comparisons I made are totally the same thing, the fact that you have tunnel vision about the facts because you think you are superior as a human does not change the facts.

You seem to be confusing "your opinion" with "facts".

Comparing a guy getting rid of magpies with the holocaust is not only wrong, it's downright idiotic.

Oh yeah, and there is this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

[4X4]

I'm out of thanks for the day, but if I had one, it'd be under Rouge's post.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Your post reeks of ignorance. Science says we are all animals. The comparisons I made are totally the same thing, the fact that you have tunnel vision about the facts because you think you are superior as a human does not change the facts.

Science says that we are all animals, but does that make all animals equal... the quick and easy answer is no it does not. Does me capturing ants in a jar and setting them ablaze with gasoline/cooking spray/anything else I could find when I was a kid make my prepubescent self the equivalent of Nazi war criminals?

Go try and hug a bear or a lion or pretty much any other animal and tell me how that goes. This isn't an exterminate all animals type post because I think that a healthy ecosystem is healthy for us all, but your rationale for it being so is messed up beyond belief.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

You seem to be confusing "your opinion" with "facts".

Comparing a guy getting rid of magpies with the holocaust is not only wrong, it's downright idiotic.

Oh yeah, and there is this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

The only thing idiotic is the ignorance of many people. Keep convincing yourself your right and your much better then any other animal, most people live that lie rather then look the truth in the face because their concience can't handle it.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The only thing idiotic is the ignorance of many people. Keep convincing yourself your right and your much better then any other animal, most people live that lie rather then look the truth in the face because their concience can't handle it.

So would you rather these tests be done on other humans? or not at all?

[stang]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Animal rights means recognizing that there is no moral basis, none, for deciding that you have basic rights and that all other animals on the face of the earth,........... It's the same argument the Nazis used to perform hideous on non-Aryan children. They thought Jews were inferior and therefore they could, with complete impunity,cause the Jews pain and suffering and deprive them of life.

Look at it this way, the Nazi's were killing and destroying familys because they thougth the were better. So what happened to them? We bombed and killed their arses!

Now these here magpies, they are killing the Robins (and other birds in our yard), and eating the eggs (same as putting babys in the creamatoriums) and they are forcing them out of their nests so they can take them over (like putting them into concentration camps), not to mention attacking our kittens and dog. So these Magpies are just like the Nazis.

Kill and bomb their arses!!

[lifer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Your post reeks of ignorance. Science says we are all animals. The comparisons I made are totally the same thing, the fact that you have tunnel vision about the facts because you think you are superior as a human does not change the facts.

Please define superior. I can't think of a definition for the word that would indicate that anybody would be wrong to think humans are superior to other animals.

[Dion]

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The only thing idiotic is the ignorance of many people. Keep convincing yourself your right and your much better then any other animal, most people live that lie rather then look the truth in the face because their concience can't handle it.

The ignorance is idiotic, eh? Interesting.

My conscience is just fine, thanks. I don't have to convince myself of anything, certainly not that "I'm better" than any other animal.

Sounds to me like you've convinced yourself you are "better" than some animals -- the rest of the humans. Don't think that the rest of us are convinced of your superiority, because you ain't making much of a case.

I don't advocate cruelty and I don't want to see undue suffering. However, I did have a piece of a cow for dinner and I'm not going to shed any tears over a pest getting knocked off with a BB gun.

[SteveToms]

On the way home I saw a dead Magpie, run over by a car, and probably more after it was killed.

I liked it.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Every creature needs is the right to stay alive, to breathe, to escape unnecessary pain, to shelter, to be free to move about, and to love.

The fundamental flaw of your argument is that these rights conflict. A lion, for example, exercises its right to stay alive by violating the similar rights of its prey. There is no way where you can uphold the rights of both predator and prey, because it's not a positive sum game where all stakeholders can end up ahead, it is a zero or even negative sum game where some participants must die.

If humans are exactly like other animals, then animals that do not wish to be eaten by us need to succeed in avoiding our predation. Morality has nothing to with it any more than a lion eating a wildebeest can be termed immoral. If, on the other hand, humans are different because we can apply moral judgments to such acts, then your premise that we are nothing more than animals is false, and thus all the argumentation that follows is also necessarily suspect.

You can't have it both ways. Humans cannot be treated as animals for one part of your argument and treated entirely differently - as moral actors - for another part of it. Either we are animals and may act as animals do - without reference to morality - or we are more than just animals and therefore can be morally self-consistent in treating humans differently than other beings.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by SteveToms

On the way home I saw a dead Magpie, run over by a car, and probably more after it was killed.

I liked it.

And other magpies were probably picking apart his carcass.

[Barnes]

Fotze, you ignorant slut.

dissentowner's personality profile is not at issue here, any more than is your inability to achieve orgasm. The issue is animal rights. How can we expect to have the confidence of any free species when we stab one of our most faithful allies in the back. I suppose you'd like to conduct our food and drug policies the way you conduct your private life, hopping from bed to bed with anyone that can do you some good. Then what do you have? An old, dried-out scuzz that no decent man would be seen with. Is that what you want for America? It's too late for you, fotze, but our country still has some dignity left, you hosebag!

[The Fonz]

For the record, I don't agree that humans are animals.

However, if dissentower truly believes that we are animals, equal to all other animals, then killing the Magpies is perfectly fine so long as they are in your yard. That is your territory, and so you should kill them. Animals fight to the death over territory everyday.

You're also free to kill the Magpie if you think it looked at your girlfriend sexy.

[SteveToms]

Originally Posted by troutman

And other magpies were probably picking apart his carcass.

Actually they ain't, it was still there today.

[4X4]

How deliciously appropriate that this thread got bumped just as I sit down to enjoy my t bone steak.

Oh baby.