Life after University...

[Dion]

Originally Posted by DESS

As usual, you're wrong. See page 1:

I was refering to your posts of today as per the jet issue and his dreams.

[Phanuthier]

In the interests of keeping this thread going, I would like to retract my goal of having a jet and replace it with a goal of owning a toy jet.

(Page 4 was great, page 5 was a bit of a dive, so less page 5 and more page 4 please)

[enthused]

I'm going to attempt to get back to the original point of this post, life after university.

I am going to finish my undergrad at Christmas, and personally, I could not be any more excited for post-university life. I can't wait for freedom from the structure and schedule of university. Don't get me wrong, I've had a great university experience, partied hard and learned a lot... but I am really looking forward to what life is going to offer me once I am finished.

I am in no rush to start a career or settle down. In fact, the "American dream" is more like a nightmare to me. Too boring. I want to travel, and just experience what life has to offer when I am not confined to any particular structure.

I'll probably go back to university eventually, because my ideal job does require a masters, but I am not feeling any pressure to do it right away. I kind of figure that I'll know when I am ready to go back to school and do it.

Anyways, I don't think post-university life should be scary, people should embrace the unknown and all of the possibilities that come with it.

[DESS]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

In the interests of keeping this thread going, I would like to retract my goal of having a jet and replace it with a goal of owning a toy jet.

(Page 4 was great, page 5 was a bit of a dive, so less page 5 and more page 4 please)

LOL, that's awesome dude. Just don't buy one from China - they use lead in the paint!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Do you know about The Law of Attraction?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction

Do you know about The Law of Hocus Pocus?

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Do you know about The Law of Hocus Pocus?

Maybe this would go better in its own thread? But I don't want to start it.

[shermanator]

One more tip, if you do end up in an Office Space type job, DO NOT watch Office Space on Sunday night. Completely ruins the whole week!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Maybe this would go better in its own thread? But I don't want to start it.

I don't want to start it either. Suffice it to say, I don't believe in the Law of Attraction.

But there is a bit of a what I consider "new agey" vibe to this thread. "Think big and you can do it!" and "Big Dreams Mean Big Accomplishments!" and "if you really want it, you'll get there".

It sounds well and good, but it's just not true. You mentioned Jim Carrey and his positive thinking and "look where he is now!". Well, what about the 10 thousand other comics who were thinking positive and dreaming about million dollar movies and Playboy models? Why didn't it happen for them? Why are they selling vinyl flooring?

Because they weren't as funny as Jim Carrey. That's it. That's the only reason.

It's not wishful thinking, good vibrations or cosmic rays. It's talent.

As for the OP, I don't know the guy, and maybe he is special and can pull it off, but I gotta say that an unemployed guy wondering what he is going to do with his life is not a likely candidate to own a private jet within the next ten years. It doesn't matter how much he really really really wants it.

[Peanut]

I think someone mentioned earlier that surrounding yourself with positive people and keeping a positive attitude *generally* brings good and positive stuff into your life. Surrounding yourself with negative people and having a negative attitude generally does not bring positivity into your life. And I think everyone's perspective is different regarding what might be postive or negative in their lives, but it's obvious from different reactions in this thread who's positive and who's not. I myself said my soul was a bit crushed by doing engineering work everyday, so perhaps I fall into the negative group as well.

It's pretty hard to "take the plunge" for a big goal or dream if all the people in your life tell you that you can't do it, the reasons why you can't do it, and/or that you're crazy. Sometimes thinking big or thinking outside the box is pretty hard to do if you're focused on the negatives and the people around you are quick to shoot you down. That's just been my experience. Why the heck not set a goal to own a jet in 10 years? If you fail in meeting that goal, what's the big f'in deal?

You don't have to go all new-agey with it. But you just don't want to hold yourself back is the only thing.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Do you know about The Law of Hocus Pocus?

Okay forget the particular wording in that supposed "law".

Would anyone deny that a person's attitude and expectations about life and towards life have a massive effect on what they will achieve?

I read an old book from the early 1900's which has some vague similarities to this law of attraction, people should be able to find PDF's of it on the internet but the name has slipped my mind. It had some very specific examples of people in some of the biggest industries in America back then (steel, etc).

One of the points that stuck with me about goals is they suggested everyone make a goal of achieving X many dollars in the next however many years. Keep in mind I'm massively paraphrasing here since I read it years ago but this setting of the goal had the suggested effect of basically implanting a question in your brain, or starting up an unconscious process that asks, "How will I make this money?" The author suggested that once you've asked yourself that question, set that goal, that your brain will come up with answers to it when it can. So you may start to evaluate things in your life in terms of opportunity towards achieving this goal. A creative idea may be sparked in response to something that would not have been sparked if you hadn't set the goal.

I'm sure we've all met a person who is always looking for a way to exploit a situation for money. Its not hard to believe that people like that may have a lot of bad ideas but may come up with a few million dollar ideas as well. Ideas that would not have been sparked if they didn't frame things in terms of profiting, if they hadn't set a goal to make money. Obviously the idea is only half of the equation since you have to commit and follow through on it as well.

Anyways probably a bad explanation, hopefully somebody can remember the book title because it was relatively short and interesting and a lot less hokey than some of this "law of attraction" stuff.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Okay forget the particular wording in that supposed "law".

Would anyone deny that a person's attitude and expectations about life and towards life have a massive effect on what they will achieve?

I disagree with the massive part of the statement.

A negative genius will always do better than a positive dope.

Attitude will have some effect but it will rarely overcome actual intellignece/talent/competence etc.

I'm sure we've all met a person who is always looking for a way to exploit a situation for money. Its not hard to believe that people like that may have a lot of bad ideas but may come up with a few million dollar ideas as well. Ideas that would not have been sparked if they didn't frame things in terms of profiting, if they hadn't set a goal to make money. Obviously the idea is only half of the equation since you have to commit and follow through on it as well.

I guess I am different because I know a bunch of people always looking to make a profit and for the most part they are no better off or worse off than the "regular" folks I know because they waste their time on moronic ideas or haribrained schemes and end up missing out on earning a decent paycheck that most people can easily make.

I have no problem with people thinking positive but nobody can really believe that if he "believes he will get a jet hard enough" that he will do actually do it.

As Rouge put it for every 1 Jim Carey there is at least 10,000 bums (that number may even be low).

Bill Gates isn't where he is because of his strong belief that he would make it, he is where he is because he is an f'ing genius.

[DESS]

Originally Posted by Peanut

I think someone mentioned earlier that surrounding yourself with positive people and keeping a positive attitude *generally* brings good and positive stuff into your life. Surrounding yourself with negative people and having a negative attitude generally does not bring positivity into your life. And I think everyone's perspective is different regarding what might be postive or negative in their lives, but it's obvious from different reactions in this thread who's positive and who's not. I myself said my soul was a bit crushed by doing engineering work everyday, so perhaps I fall into the negative group as well.

It's pretty hard to "take the plunge" for a big goal or dream if all the people in your life tell you that you can't do it, the reasons why you can't do it, and/or that you're crazy. Sometimes thinking big or thinking outside the box is pretty hard to do if you're focused on the negatives and the people around you are quick to shoot you down. That's just been my experience. Why the heck not set a goal to own a jet in 10 years? If you fail in meeting that goal, what's the big f'in deal?

You don't have to go all new-agey with it. But you just don't want to hold yourself back is the only thing.

I think you've confused realism for negativity with respect to my posts.

And on goals in general (not talking about the jet here) - I think a lot of you need a refresher on what a goal is exactly. It's an end point. When you set a goal, you begin at a starting point. To achieve a goal, you need a plan. Without a plan to achieve the goal, the goal is unachievable. Therefore, when somebody has a realistic plan to achieve a goal, it is reasonable to encourage them. Without a plan to achieve their goal, their goal just becomes nonsense.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by DESS

And on goals in general (not talking about the jet here) - I think a lot of you need a refresher on what a goal is exactly. It's an end point. When you set a goal, you begin at a starting point. To achieve a goal, you need a plan. Without a plan to achieve the goal, the goal is unachievable. Therefore, when somebody has a realistic plan to achieve a goal, it is reasonable to encourage them. Without a plan to achieve their goal, their goal just becomes nonsense.

Haha I had thought by saying I changed a goal from a jet to a toy jet, that we could continue with the thread. But yes, I do have a plan and its not some con job, screw the pilgrims, chase a profit and flip houses/stocks to become rich. I do actually have a plan, but I'm obviously not going to reveal it for a number of reasons.

Look at the types of people becoming multi-millionaires and billionairs, they didn't work at a job and save up to become a millionaire at 60. Its not that uncommon to see < 35 year olds become wealthy and successful. I'm not sure exactly if what I'm going to do is going to work, and there are factors out of my control, but for now, I guess we'll see where this goes.

The job bit you keep harping on... let just say, there's a few reasons I don't have a job now and some here know. At this stage, I was only willing to take a job that was directly related to my career, otherwise, I thought there would be better things to do with my time. Generally, my income does not require a job for the (cheap ass) lifestyle I'm living and for how I currently live, it is more or less self-sustaining, so I guess I'm working towards other things rather then just taking any random job. Lets just leave it at that.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Just remembered the book title I was trying to think of. The copyright of the book is up so here is a link to an online copy.

http://www.virtuescience.com/think-and-grow-rich.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_and_Grow_Rich

I thought it was an interesting read although I'm sure some will sit there and scoff at the ideas contained within. It does contain some hokey bits as it looks like the author was a believer in a God, but none the less I think there's some interesting psychological principles that he also examines.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Look at the types of people becoming multi-millionaires and billionairs, they didn't work at a job and save up to become a millionaire at 60. Its not that uncommon to see < 35 year olds become wealthy and successful. I'm not sure exactly if what I'm going to do is going to work, and there are factors out of my control, but for now, I guess we'll see where this goes.

I am glad that you have big goals and hope they all work out for you but I am I have a hard time believing that "it is not that uncommon to see <35 year olds become wealthy." Of course depending on what you view of wealthy is it could change but I would have to think that in NA less than 1% of people 22-35 would be what I consider wealthy and for me that sure seems to fit the bill of uncommon.

[DESS]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Haha I had thought by saying I changed a goal from a jet to a toy jet, that we could continue with the thread. But yes, I do have a plan and its not some con job, screw the pilgrims, chase a profit and flip houses/stocks to become rich. I do actually have a plan, but I'm obviously not going to reveal it for a number of reasons.

Look at the types of people becoming multi-millionaires and billionairs, they didn't work at a job and save up to become a millionaire at 60. Its not that uncommon to see < 35 year olds become wealthy and successful. I'm not sure exactly if what I'm going to do is going to work, and there are factors out of my control, but for now, I guess we'll see where this goes.

The job bit you keep harping on... let just say, there's a few reasons I don't have a job now and some here know. At this stage, I was only willing to take a job that was directly related to my career, otherwise, I thought there would be better things to do with my time. Generally, my income does not require a job for the (cheap ass) lifestyle I'm living and for how I currently live, it is more or less self-sustaining, so I guess I'm working towards other things rather then just taking any random job. Lets just leave it at that.

lol I thought it was put aside too, but it kept going on without me so I felt compelled to reply.

Anyway, next time you make a thread about something, maybe it would be helpful if you had something to contribute to that thread other than it's a secret. Now you have me curious to know how you can live without working and how your income doesn't require any work on your part. Sounds like a sweet gig.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by enthused

I'm going to attempt to get back to the original point of this post, life after university.

I am going to finish my undergrad at Christmas, and personally, I could not be any more excited for post-university life. I can't wait for freedom from the structure and schedule of university. Don't get me wrong, I've had a great university experience, partied hard and learned a lot... but I am really looking forward to what life is going to offer me once I am finished.

I am in no rush to start a career or settle down. In fact, the "American dream" is more like a nightmare to me. Too boring. I want to travel, and just experience what life has to offer when I am not confined to any particular structure.

I'll probably go back to university eventually, because my ideal job does require a masters, but I am not feeling any pressure to do it right away. I kind of figure that I'll know when I am ready to go back to school and do it.

Anyways, I don't think post-university life should be scary, people should embrace the unknown and all of the possibilities that come with it.

Great post I feel the exact same way, I'm going into the final year of my undergrad and a lot of people I've been in school with are terrified of "real life". Personally I can't wait, I want to embrace that life style whole heartily.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by DESS

lol I thought it was put aside too, but it kept going on without me so I felt compelled to reply.

Anyway, next time you make a thread about something, maybe it would be helpful if you had something to contribute to that thread other than it's a secret. Now you have me curious to know how you can live without working and how your income doesn't require any work on your part. Sounds like a sweet gig.

Dude, I'm sorry, but you don't get to give anyone pointers on starting threads.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by resalien

dude, i'm sorry, but you don't get to give anyone pointers on starting threads.

ha ha ha!!!!

Burn!

[DESS]

lol total burn. I just received an infraction from the mods on this very topic this weekend.