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jayswin · 05-15-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackEleven

There are a lot of threads where people are outraged at police action -- this one, the girl kicking her shoes at the cop, the cop tackling the cylcist and on and on. But the cops in those videos do deserve the harsh words directed at them. The cops aren't above or exempt from the law; they have to obey it like everyone else. And when those trusted with enforcing the law are breaking it themselves regardless of the intenions behind it or whether or not it was deserved, they sabotage the trust the public has placed in them.

I don't think there are as many 'anti-police guys' here as you think though. I think most people recognize that the cops are there for are own safety and protection and the vast, vast majority of them do their jobs bravely, silently and often heroicly. It's just that these actions don't make the news because their expected. Fair or not, we expect cops to act this way, so when they don't its a big story.

But that doesn't mean all cops are infallable. Just like there are good people among the general populace that make mistakes, there are cops that make them as well. Joe Average has to pay for his mistakes, so the cop does too. To always take the cops side is just as unfair as always taking the suspects.

Wow, you summed up my thoughts perfectly.

pepper24 · 05-15-2009, 04:28 PM

It looked like the suspect was not resisting arrest so the kick wasn't necessary.

You think the cop either way would be smart enough to know that the helicoptors have this live on TV. Not a smart move.

Does the crook deserve to be kicked for nearly killing others in the high speed chase? Probably. But by US laws of innocent until proven guilty his punishment will be determined in the law of court. The kick wasn't necessary.

twotoner · 05-15-2009, 04:48 PM

The saddest thing about this is that the punk just won the lotto.

ricoFlame · 05-15-2009, 04:55 PM

i have no sympathy for that punk for putting all kinds of people in danger. the cop was out of line, no doubt, but that dude put thousands of innocent people in danger. no sympathy.

jayswin · 05-15-2009, 05:04 PM

This thread is funny, it seems like there's two sides to this issue, but really both sides are more or less saying the same thing, with one side just emphazing the fact that the kid deserved it.

There's those of us (who are for some reason being labeled as anti police) who are saying...

"yeah, the kid probably deserved it, but regardless, the cop overstepped his bounds"

...and the other side saying.....

The kid TOTALLY deserved, I have NO sympathy for the litttle punk, but, yeah, I guess the cop overstepped his bounds.

Both sides are saying the same thing, with one side emphasizing that the kid deserved it, and that they have no sympathy, while the other side is emphasizing that the cop was out of line to boot the kid in the head while he layed on the ground with his hands completely visible to the cop.

FlamesAddiction · 05-15-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by flameswin

This thread is funny, it seems like there's two sides to this issue, but really both sides are more or less saying the same thing, with one side just emphazing the fact that the kid deserved it.

There's those of us (who are for some reason being labeled as anti police) who are saying...

"yeah, the kid probably deserved it, but regardless, the cop overstepped his bounds"

...and the other side saying.....

The kid TOTALLY deserved, I have NO sympathy for the litttle punk, but, yeah, I guess the cop overstepped his bounds.

Both sides are saying the same thing, with one side emphasizing that the kid deserved it, and that they have no sympathy, while the other side is emphasizing that the cop was out of line to boot the kid in the head while he layed on the ground with his hands completely visible to the cop.

Pretty much... lol.

I would go one step further and say that the police officer also deserves to be kicked in the head for overstepping his bounds. They were both in the wrong.

narbeZ · 05-15-2009, 08:48 PM

i would have stomped the out of that guy. Also I would make sure no one saw the footage if there is any. Fact of the matter is this guys a punk and needs to be taught and valuable physical lesson before he can get his lesson in jail.

transplant99 · 05-15-2009, 08:53 PM

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I would go one step further and say that the police officer also deserves to be kicked in the head for overstepping his bounds

Well wouldnt that go against the thoughts of many that this guy needs to be punished by the courts?

I have no doubt this cop will be disciplined for his actions...whatever that may end up being. that being said the guy he punted had a beating coming one way or the other...this was nothing compared to what he will receive behind closed doors and probably in prison.

FurnaceFace · 05-15-2009, 09:25 PM

Soooo...is there any real follow up on this? has there been a news article which has comments from the people involved and the situation? Was there a copy of the police radio made public? Until there is all this discussion is a waste as we've got an image from a helicopter which shows part of the story.

Is the guy a known tweaker who is typically high?
Was there a weapon involved?
Was he an honour student who just did a dumb thing?
Was he saying to the cop "ok, I give up"?

We really don't know so how can we pass judgment on this situation one way or the other?

killer_carlson · 05-16-2009, 10:04 AM

that cop is an idiot. There was absolutely no grounds for that kick and no one could miss the helicopter overtop.

Bagor · 05-16-2009, 10:25 AM

Same clip with audio from the helicopter.

"Oh! He just kicked him directly in the shoulder"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8049633.stm

CaramonLS · 05-16-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

Soooo...is there any real follow up on this? has there been a news article which has comments from the people involved and the situation? Was there a copy of the police radio made public? Until there is all this discussion is a waste as we've got an image from a helicopter which shows part of the story.

Is the guy a known tweaker who is typically high?
Was there a weapon involved?
Was he an honour student who just did a dumb thing?
Was he saying to the cop "ok, I give up"?

We really don't know so how can we pass judgment on this situation one way or the other?

"Mr Rodriguez, a gang member, was detained for violating his parole and pending investigation into other charges. "

From the article above.

killer_carlson · 05-16-2009, 12:25 PM

great.

So because of this cop's action, a gang member with a criminal record is going to become a martyr and probably have sentencing reduced against him or the charges dropped, and then launch a lawsuit (and win) for brutality.

Way to go cop. Way to do your fricken job. Way to keep the criminals on the street pal.

The Fonz · 05-16-2009, 12:36 PM

Now that I'm sober...

I don't change my mind at all. This kid put innocent lives at risk, was involved in a car chase, and ran on foot. People are sticking up for him...? F me...

So it's cool for me to break the law, put the lives of your friends and family in danger, and then when I know I'm caught, just lie on the ground and get cuffed without consequence? And I mean physical consequence.

People are getting too soft, this kid should've gotten a lot more than a kick to the head.

And I'm still not sober. Maybe I'll watch again tomorrow.

FlamesAddiction · 05-16-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Fonz

Now that I'm sober...

I don't change my mind at all. This kid put innocent lives at risk, was involved in a car chase, and ran on foot. People are sticking up for him...? F me...

So it's cool for me to break the law, put the lives of your friends and family in danger, and then when I know I'm caught, just lie on the ground and get cuffed without consequence? And I mean physical consequence.

People are getting too soft, this kid should've gotten a lot more than a kick to the head.

And I'm still not sober. Maybe I'll watch again tomorrow.

So, you have no problem with cops being able to hand out punishment without due process?

You do realize, this is the kind of thing that we send young men and women to fight against and die for in other countries, right?

Iowa_Flames_Fan · 05-16-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

great.

So because of this cop's action, a gang member with a criminal record is going to become a martyr and probably have sentencing reduced against him or the charges dropped, and then launch a lawsuit (and win) for brutality.

Way to go cop. Way to do your fricken job. Way to keep the criminals on the street pal.

I think this sums it up perfectly for me. People who are suggesting that somehow this comes down to sympathy for the person being arrested are way off base--that has nothing to do with it. The problem here is that the police officer's action is unwarranted and ultimately counterproductive to the aim of creating a better, safer society.

Whether the guy "deserved" to be kicked is completely the wrong question.

The Fonz · 05-16-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

You do realize, this is the kind of thing that we send young men and women to fight against and die for in other countries, right?

Don't even...

The young men and women are not fighting and dying so that some punk who gets in a car chase, drives on the wrong side of the road nearly hitting innocent people and loses control and hits a parked car (the sidewalk if that vehicle weren't there), can surrender in the end without getting kicked in the head.

That is not what they are fighting for, so stop trying to make this more complicated than it is.

The Fonz · 05-16-2009, 01:15 PM

Next time I'm a ######bag in the bar and some guy clocks me, I'm totally going to tell him that young men and women are dying for my right to be a piece of [poo] without getting punched by guys like him...

/ridiculousness

Iowa_Flames_Fan · 05-16-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Fonz

Don't even...

The young men and women are not fighting and dying so that some punk who gets in a car chase, drives on the wrong side of the road nearly hitting innocent people and loses control and hits a parked car (the sidewalk if that vehicle weren't there), can surrender in the end without getting kicked in the head.

That is not what they are fighting for, so stop trying to make this more complicated than it is.

Whether the kid deserved to get kicked in the head is entirely beside the point. FlamesAddiction is absolutely right; our polity is founded on a system of jurisprudence that guarantees due process for everyone accused of a crime, innocent or guilty. Without it, we're no better than Putin's Russia.

We just don't live in the world of "Judge Dredd." A world in which police officers mete out punishments, deserved or not, is a fascist police state. Thank god, we don't live in that world--which is why this police officer's actions weren't appropriate.

The innocence or guilt of the person being apprehended is an entirely different question, and utterly beside the point. I don't doubt that he had it coming. But we don't live in a society where a police officer gets to make that call in the heat of the moment--and I am grateful every day that we don't, because that absolutely is the principle that our grandparents fought over a generation ago. If you can't see that, I don't really know what to say.

Nuje · 05-16-2009, 02:27 PM

I'm always the first to say that you shouldn't commit criminal activities, and anything that happens to you as a result, you're usually deserving of. That's flat-out police brutality though. The guy made the smart choice to lie on the ground (even though he made it late, he still make the smart choice). That was one stupid police officer. Should be fired.