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Old 04-05-2009, 11:13 PM   #101
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Stop equating the individual with the government.

Just because someone voted for Bush in 2004 doesn't mean they approve of every thing that administration did. We didn't have much of a second option. It's certainly not proof of what you claim it is.

$40 a day. Do you get to eat?
you get to eat quite well. if you avoid western/northern europe and australia, you can get by on about $50/day quite easily. take public transit, eat off the tourist strip, avoid pre-packaged tours and you would be surprised how far your money will take you. also, if you're not abject to sleeping on trains/buses, you can make that money last much longer.
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:14 PM   #102
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the point is that a person whos 18 and living with their parents without much else for expenses can afford to give that up. In one summer I probably make between 10 and 12 thousand.
Yeah I'm looking at around 20 thousand dollars for four months of work...so travel is definitely feasible.

The Americans that I've dealt with and got to know personally have all been really great people. It seems to be the people that you just meet in passing, that you have that one experience (yelling at the Mexican guys, that kind of stuff) that puts a really negative spin on their country.

As for that eh stuff...I met some people from Ontario and they were giving me for the amount I said eh. Apparently I sound like a stereotypical Canadian, even to fellow Canadians. The eh thing doesn't bother me though...no different than me getting a friend from New Zealand all pissed off because I asked her to say put some shrimp on the barbie. That lead to a half hour rant about how they don't even eat shrimp there, they eat prawns haha.

In regards to Canadian culture, who can forget that we BURNT DOWN the White House?! Take that you good for nothing Yankees!
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:14 PM   #103
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Not at all, it's just tough to imagine.

I'm picturing lots of roaches, rats and who knows what else running across the floor of my room.
that's part of the experience...lol.
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:16 PM   #104
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Yeah I'm looking at around 20 thousand dollars for four months of work...so travel is definitely feasible.
Holy crap dude! what do you do!?
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:17 PM   #105
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I'm picturing lots of roaches, rats and who knows what else running across the floor of my room.
That's what earplugs are for. You can't hear them and they can't get in your ear.
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:23 PM   #106
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Holy crap dude! what do you do!?
I'm gonna be working at a spray and fertilizer plant. I mix fertilizer for farmers and might be doing some custom spraying for some people. 18.50 an hour, but for the first two months they're 12 to 14 hour days, 6-7 days a week. So roughly 20 grand...probably closer to 17 or 18, depending on how busy things get during the other two months of summer.

I did the math just now and if I work 10 hour days, 26 days a month, that's 800 bucks under 20 grand.
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:28 PM   #107
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I'm gonna be working at a spray and fertilizer plant. I mix fertilizer for farmers and might be doing some custom spraying for some people. 18.50 an hour, but for the first two months they're 12 to 14 hour days, 6-7 days a week. So roughly 20 grand...probably closer to 17 or 18, depending on how busy things get during the other two months of summer.

I did the math just now and if I work 10 hour days, 26 days a month, that's 800 bucks under 20 grand.
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:31 PM   #108
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Yup...gonna be crappy not having much time off for fishing/camping/golf but hell, I'll take it. I need money, and after getting busted for that whole hookers and blow thing, I'm trying to keep my head low ya know?
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:45 PM   #109
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I realize in general people from the US aren't that different from us but I've been to all 4 corners of the US and more and have found them to collectively be the rudest people ever. Whether it's the guy in Seattle asking if we have internet in Canada, the fat Boston frat boy getting pissed that the Montreal bank machine is giving him Canadian money rather than US dollars or people who couldn't point to Canada on a map, I'm amazed.

NY was the worst and for such a cool city, the people are unbelievably rude. I've been three times over the years to give it another shot but I just can't stand them. People in the US are very aggressive, hostile and they truly don't know much about the world outside of their country.

It seems like we Canadians for the most part do the same vacation all the time -either the all inclusive beach package in Mexico, the Dominican Republic or Cuba, or LA/Las Vegas/Miami/New York. The US has better weather and the south has better beaches but Canadians don't travel within their country like they should. And when I travel abroad, I go to Europe, Latin America, Australia, Asia etc. It is further and maybe more expensive but I think you get a better experience.

The US has great and terrible culture at the same time. For their great musicians, cool cities and interesting history, the food sucks, their sports are boring, their beer is terrible, people are rude and don't mention foreign politics. I won't judge an American until I meet him or her personally but my opinion of them generally isn't high. I don't understand how you can know virtually nothing about your neighbours when you only border 2 nations. I hate their war mongering and the celebrity obsessed culture following people like Britney or Hanna Montana around.
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:03 AM   #111
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I really like the United States. I've been all over and I have to say that I will not make some stupid generalization like "they are the rudest people ever." I have found Americans, like people anymore, to be on the large very friendly and accommodating.

As for America, I think it's a great place. One of the biggest and most diverse places in the world. People from all over bringing different ideas and ways of doing things with them. Somehow it all seems to work in a weird and ramshackle way.
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Americans as individuals, I like. I've had a few bad experiences with Americans when travelling overseas, but I chalk that up to just a few bad apples, or possibly that americans just don't travel as well as the rest of us; in just about any hostel I've stayed in, the Americans are always a bit the outsiders; maybe we don't always include them as much as we should. But Americans at home - in their element - have always been wonderful, whether it's Boston, LA, small town Oregon, the supposedly rude NYC, or any other American locale that I've been in.
I had this same thought last summer when I was in Cabo. As I mentioned before, I've travelled to 19 different states now and for the most part never came across on American who was obnoxious or rude to me. But at the place we stayed at in Cabo, there was a whole bunch of obnoxious ones, I had never experienced that before with them. Most of em were in their 30's and 40's, yet they were extremely loud and actin like they were college kids on spring break. You could generally pick out the Americans from the Euros and Canadians rather easily.

It was quite bizarre, maybe Americans just have a different mentality when they travel, I dont know. Like they work really hard at home, so when they go away they wanna whoop it up and git er done full blast or something. Or it also could've just been the area we were staying in. It was a 5-star timeshare resort which my millionaire aunt has and let us stay for a week. Most of the people there were rich Californians.

Anyway, common sense tells me that theory is way too incredibly broad-stroked to be true. But who knows? I just found it interesting you mentioned that because I had the exact same thought last summer.
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Old 04-06-2009, 01:44 AM   #113
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Hey PIMking, I don't care what everybody else says about you, I think you're a pretty good guy.
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Old 04-06-2009, 02:29 AM   #114
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I've met 5 Americans in 3 months of backpacking through Australia. 4 of them were very nice people, couldn't tell that they weren't Canadian. One of them introduced himself by saying "Yo, I'm from LA, representin'!" and then went on to say how much he hated Europe because he hates cultural and intellectual things and wishes people would stop trying to be so smart.

Its not really fair, but he's the American I'm going to remember.
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I think we should all look a little closer to home for our opinions. Two of the more popular players on our team are Americans and it isn't exactly because of their playing talents.
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Old 04-06-2009, 02:38 AM   #116
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I've met 5 Americans in 3 months of backpacking through Australia. 4 of them were very nice people, couldn't tell that they weren't Canadian. One of them introduced himself by saying "Yo, I'm from LA, representin'!" and then went on to say how much he hated Europe because he hates cultural and intellectual things and wishes people would stop trying to be so smart.

Its not really fair, but he's the American I'm going to remember.
Ha, that reminds me of an American I met when we were in Kotor (and again in Sarajavo). He was an American (from Florida) but wore Canadian flags all over his backpack and had Canada T-shirts (cause if they knew you were American in the former Yugaslavia, they'd kick your ass). Anyways, he was pretty alright and easy going, but when we went out drinking, he got more and more obnoxious. He went around grinding girls from behind, some who were with their boyfriends that were built like Georges Laraque. One of the times, the girl agrees to dance with him and the first thing he does is he grabs her ass; she tries to push his hand away and keep on dancing (she was smokin hot too) and he makes for a second try. Her boyfriend tells the American to get lost. Then, he moves onto the second table of girls (there are 5 there) and tries to dry hump them too - and this belongs in the "you're doing it wrong" thread - and she's trying to ignore this American guy dry humping her from behind, but all her friends leave and she tells him he scared away all her friends; he says to her "###### you b**ch" and moves onto table No 3. (Is this getting sad yet?) He starts doing the same thing as table one, girl, except this time the boyfriend was about to knock his head off - that was probably the time I abandoned him, before I get into some bar fight and end up in a prison in Belgrade.

Thanks for giving Canada a bad name, American guy.
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Old 04-06-2009, 07:21 AM   #117
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In general, Americans lost everyone's respect while GW was in the White House.

How could the "strongest" country in the world elect and re-elect a complete moron?
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In general, Americans lost everyone's respect while GW was in the White House.

How could the "strongest" country in the world elect and re-elect a complete moron?
Not to rain on your parade, but half the people in the world are of below average intelligence. Add in typical political bias and you have yourself an answer.
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Personally I like the average American roughly the same as I like my fellow Canadians.

I have always thought that the 'jerk' American is similar to the 'jerk' Canadian. They either come from a big city and have that big city arrogance about them, or they come from a small town and have that small town ignorance about them. The difference between Canada and the US is that there are more Americans and as a culture have greater influence over the world than Canadians.

I find Torontonians as obnoxious as any big city American, and I find folks from Ontario in general to be 'American'-like. Some of the best people I have met have come from the states (from state of Tennesee to be exact).
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How could the "strongest" country in the world elect and re-elect a complete moron?
Considering Canadian's put Trudeau in office multiple times, I hardly think we can preach about election results.
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