9/11 Third Tower Mystery 'Solved'

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

As said in the post, if you are the type to not question anything, live an entirely self-serving and gluttonous existence, and somehow still feel the need to dictate the tone to the world...yes.

But thats off topic.

What a f'n ######ed thing to say. I wish you were a jew or some other ethnic origin that constantly gets attacked so I could say I hate you for being of that ilk (and get away with it on CP because it's ok to trash America around here).

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Rouge and MagnumPEI, walk up to the building and start firing. Please try. Yes they can't stop you from taking a shot from the freeway or miles away. But you cannot walk up to it and shoot. You must get permission. News organizations have permission and file pictures they can use.

I'm sure they've bolstered security at the Pentagon since 911.

Assuming a jet did hit the Pentagon, who flew it? The alleged pilot could barely fly a cesna, let alone pull off "the maneouver".

Also, I remember hearing one of the alleged highjackers (not sure which flight) was found to be alive and well in Saudi Arabia. Does anybody know what became of this or if it is true?

[Thor]

Originally Posted by photon

Aw crap I go away for the weekend and look what I miss!

I like the trains theory.

Pretty sure that Jesus punished the USA with the attacks because of gays in America and abortions.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

I'm sure they've bolstered security at the Pentagon since 911.

Assuming a jet did hit the Pentagon, who flew it? The alleged pilot could barely fly a cesna, let alone pull off "the maneouver".

Also, I remember hearing one of the alleged highjackers (not sure which flight) was found to be alive and well in Saudi Arabia. Does anybody know what became of this or if it is true?

Go find out.

BTW: Here in Japan we have flight similators on PC and Mac that were pretty much in vogue in 1980 for pilot training. I was very successful in taking out most of the airport!!! I rule! No training whatsoever I killed at least 3000 people. Japanese rule when it comes to the gore!!!

[worth]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

I'm sure they've bolstered security at the Pentagon since 911.

Assuming a jet did hit the Pentagon, who flew it? The alleged pilot could barely fly a cesna, let alone pull off "the maneouver".

Also, I remember hearing one of the alleged highjackers (not sure which flight) was found to be alive and well in Saudi Arabia. Does anybody know what became of this or if it is true?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1559151.stm

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

The 9-11 attacks were the first in a series of events designed and executed by the Bush Administration for the specific purpose of conditioning (brainwashing) the American public for the eventual (and illegal) invasion of Iran. For Oil.

This conclusion while so widely popular and yet is is so out to lunch

The war in Iraq is not about Oil. Do you know where the U.S. gets the Majority of its Oil? From Canada!

Iraq isn’t even in the top five on the list of crude oil imports…honestly Mexico provides them with more Oil than Iraq

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html

Now consider who much the War has cost them an estimated 3 trillion Dollars 3 TRILLION DOLLARS!!!

http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/339461

It has put them in such massive debt that the country has gone into economic crisis

Does it make sense too invade a country that isn’t even in your top 5 producers for Oil? No

Add to that how much money it cost them too do it and even if Iraq was number 1 on the list of producers it still wouldn’t make financial sense

Iraq was never about Oil

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

Assuming a jet did hit the Pentagon, who flew it? The alleged pilot could barely fly a cesna, let alone pull off "the maneouver".

The hardest part about flying is landing and taking off safely. The hijackers had to do neither. There isn't a lot involved in directing a plane. The hijacker pilots all took flight lessons and the pilot of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon had his FAA commercial pilots certificate.

There are pictures, eye witness reports, calls from people in the plane, physically evidence that a plane hit flown by hijackers hit the Pentagon. There is however no evidence to suggest that something else hit it.

[Daradon]

There is no structural or internal damage strong enough to suggest this tower should have fallen. Period.

I don't need to even talk about the first two, which are sketchy at best. This one, I don't know why the finger wasn't pointed. Well I do, but only because it's the US.

Buildings are built to withstand fires. And collisions.

More over, spectator and firefighter testimony does not agree with official stories. Plus the fire covered one MAYBE two of the 47 floors.

EDIT: In the story itself... 'With no steel from Tower 7 to study...'

Cough cough sigh cough cough, resigned sigh.

[Daradon]

OK seriously. If the government was serious about SOLVING these mysteries, why was the steel from the main two towers, and this one, not used in the studies?

Yeah I know small amounts from the main towers were, but that's my point. In the biggest structural collapse of all time, the study is limited. And in case of this tower, COMPLETELY limited.

I don't start off disbelieving the government line. I do when studies are not preformed correctly. Like any good scientist.

If the government is not hiding anything... why are they hiding things?

It's like that jerk that hits on the ladies at the bar saying he's a millionaire... just back it up and we'll believe you.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Daradon

More over, spectator and firefighter testimony does not agree with official stories. Plus the fire covered one MAYBE two of the 47 floors.

EDIT: In the story itself... 'With no steel from Tower 7 to study...'

Cough cough sigh cough cough, resigned sigh.

:Facepalm:

Seriously you quote the story and don't even bother to check out the graphics? let me help with it.



Looks like a few more then MAYBE 2 storys. Further more those new pictures show significant structural damage in addition to massive raging infernos.

Its no wonder people don't see significant damage though when the only pictures we see are of the north side away from the WTC. Heres a picture taken from another angle and you can see on the SW corner there is some pretty severe structural damage.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Daradon

There is no structural or internal damage strong enough to suggest this tower should have fallen. Period.

I don't need to even talk about the first two, which are sketchy at best. This one, I don't know why the finger wasn't pointed. Well I do, but only because it's the US.

Buildings are built to withstand fires. And collisions.

More over, spectator and firefighter testimony does not agree with official stories. Plus the fire covered one MAYBE two of the 47 floors.

EDIT: In the story itself... 'With no steel from Tower 7 to study...'

Cough cough sigh cough cough, resigned sigh.

Talk about backing it up in your next post if you will, but untill you show me your degree in structural engineering, I'm gonna have to assume that when you make rediculous comments like this, that you have absolutley no idea what you are talking about.

[ken0042]

And regarding the steel being hauled away instead of being investigated- keep in mind the events of that day and that week. At the time, the primary goal was to save lives- meaning there were people alive under debris that was once huge office towers, and the quicker that debris could be removed the more lives that could be saved. Then in the following days people wanted the site cleaned up as quickly as possible.

As for the debris not being studied- it was. How do I know this? I watched an 2 hour long show on Discovery or TLC a few months after 9/11 showing the engineers sorting out the steel and examining it in a junkyard in New Jersey. So a reputable source has shown me that examination was done.

Part of how a CT works is they sort through the vast amounts of information, and only present the info that supports their case. Because there was nothing earth shattering in the structural engineers' reports (Planes weakened the structure, and steel weakened by heat caused a colapse), it wasn't front page news.

[Azure]

Since some people don't 'get it.....I'll put it into simple English.

Simply put:

1) Each structure sustained a high speed impact from a large airliner. This caused: A) Severe structural damage including the severing of exterior and core columns. B) Stripping of fireproofing material from floor trusses. C) Large fires starting simultaneously across multiple floors.

2) Fed by the jet fuel fires, and supported by the wind feeding into the gaping hole in each tower, the fires igniting the building contents, resulting in an inferno spreading across multiple floors.

3) The badly damaged, and unprotected floor trusses began to soften in the heat, sagging as they did so.

4) The sagging trusses pulled the exterior columns of the towers inwards across an entire face.

5) With additional loading on the exterior columns due to other severed columns, and increasing lateral loading due to bowing, the exterior columns failed across an entire face of each building.

6) The upper structure twisted and fell through the destroyed impact floors, hitting the first fully intact floor with 10 GJ (WTC1) or 30 GJ (WTC2) of energy. It failed virtually instantly, adding its own weight to the mass falling on the next floor.

7) The floor mass collapsed down inside the tube created by the exterior columns.

8) The force of the collapse forced exterior columns below the impact point outwards, peeling them away from the structure in multi-story sections.

9) The debris fell to the ground, leaving the badly damage core standing to at least its height. 10) The core section, unable to stand on its own, collapses.

Okay?

[puckhog]

I think the biggest argument against all these conspiracy theories (aside from the opinions of scholars who researched the collapses) is that, as previously mentioned, in order to successfully execute an operation like this, the US government would have needed the cooperation of hundreds of people, both within and outside of the government. To have that number of people involved and not have any leaks is seemingly impossible.

However, it also needs to be pointed out that at the time of the attacks Bush had only been officially in office for nine months. Anyone who honestly believes that all of the pieces could fall into place for this type of operation, with no leaks, in a time span of less than a year has way too much faith in the efficiency of governments, in my opinion.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Azure

Since some people don't 'get it.....I'll put it into simple English.

Simply put:

1) Each structure sustained a high speed impact from a large airliner. This caused: A) Severe structural damage including the severing of exterior and core columns. B) Stripping of fireproofing material from floor trusses. C) Large fires starting simultaneously across multiple floors.

2) Fed by the jet fuel fires, and supported by the wind feeding into the gaping hole in each tower, the fires igniting the building contents, resulting in an inferno spreading across multiple floors.

3) The badly damaged, and unprotected floor trusses began to soften in the heat, sagging as they did so.

4) The sagging trusses pulled the exterior columns of the towers inwards across an entire face.

5) With additional loading on the exterior columns due to other severed columns, and increasing lateral loading due to bowing, the exterior columns failed across an entire face of each building.

6) The upper structure twisted and fell through the destroyed impact floors, hitting the first fully intact floor with 10 GJ (WTC1) or 30 GJ (WTC2) of energy. It failed virtually instantly, adding its own weight to the mass falling on the next floor.

7) The floor mass collapsed down inside the tube created by the exterior columns.

8) The force of the collapse forced exterior columns below the impact point outwards, peeling them away from the structure in multi-story sections.

9) The debris fell to the ground, leaving the badly damage core standing to at least its height. 10) The core section, unable to stand on its own, collapses.

Okay?

Thanks for the Twin Towers explanation, but where does that leave Building 7?

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by Azure

Since some people don't 'get it.....I'll put it into simple English.

Simply put:

1) Each structure sustained a high speed impact from a large airliner. This caused: A) Severe structural damage including the severing of exterior and core columns. B) Stripping of fireproofing material from floor trusses. C) Large fires starting simultaneously across multiple floors.

2) Fed by the jet fuel fires, and supported by the wind feeding into the gaping hole in each tower, the fires igniting the building contents, resulting in an inferno spreading across multiple floors.

3) The badly damaged, and unprotected floor trusses began to soften in the heat, sagging as they did so.

4) The sagging trusses pulled the exterior columns of the towers inwards across an entire face.

5) With additional loading on the exterior columns due to other severed columns, and increasing lateral loading due to bowing, the exterior columns failed across an entire face of each building.

6) The upper structure twisted and fell through the destroyed impact floors, hitting the first fully intact floor with 10 GJ (WTC1) or 30 GJ (WTC2) of energy. It failed virtually instantly, adding its own weight to the mass falling on the next floor.

7) The floor mass collapsed down inside the tube created by the exterior columns.

8) The force of the collapse forced exterior columns below the impact point outwards, peeling them away from the structure in multi-story sections.

9) The debris fell to the ground, leaving the badly damage core standing to at least its height. 10) The core section, unable to stand on its own, collapses.

Okay?

NOPE!

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Thanks for the Twin Towers explanation, but where does that leave Building 7?

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...2&postcount=59

[Thor]

Tower 7 is where they hid the proof of the actual Kennedy assassination and of course the crashed UFO from Area 52 along with the 3 alien's.

Now thats all gone, damn sneaky Government!

[SebC]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Maybe they were designed that way?

They were. The point was that if they were to collapse, it would be onto themselves, rather than onto other buildings.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Thanks for the Twin Towers explanation, but where does that leave Building 7?

If you believe the official story regarding the collapse of the Twin Towers, why would you question the collapse of Tower 7?

I think if you're going to believe in any conspiracy theory, the first question has to be why would the conspirators do the thing of which you are accusing them?

What purpose would it serve to execute a controlled demolition of the third tower, many hours after the first two towers collapsed? It wouldn't be the final straw that would push anyone towards supporting an attack on Afghanistan (and eventually Iraq), if that's what you believe was the entire purpose of the attacks.

If you can accept that the Twin Towers collapsed because they were hit by planes, why can't you accept that Tower 7 collapsed because of severe damage it withstood being so close to the Twin Towers?