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Old 02-06-2008, 04:41 PM   #101
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Not really disagreeing with anything that you said.

Now let me ask you this, because I have to take it down its logical path.

Do you actually believe that Obama could negotiate any kind of international coalition agreement where America would naturally take the leadership role.

My gut says no, he's not saavy enough at this time. Give him a few more years, put him into some foreign policy commitee's and groom him for the presidential role.
Yeah, I believe he would be able to do what you suggest. I have never met the man, but know people who have, and they all say the same thing; the guy is leader you just want to follow. These are stupid people either. These are people at the highest levels of their industries or achieved things you and I only dream of. These are people that make decisions that impact the way you and I do things. If these people have the confidence in him to lead the country, and the free world, I gotta say that I'm feeling a lot more confident.
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Yeah, I believe he would be able to do what you suggest. I have never met the man, but know people who have, and they all say the same thing; the guy is leader you just want to follow. These are stupid people either. These are people at the highest levels of their industries or achieved things you and I only dream of. These are people that make decisions that impact the way you and I do things. If these people have the confidence in him to lead the country, and the free world, I gotta say that I'm feeling a lot more confident.
I think clearly Obama and Romney are the only two candidates with an ounce of charisma left standing. I also think they are clearly the most intelligent candidates left. I do not think they will be the two choices in November though.
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Old 02-07-2008, 11:03 AM   #103
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So Romney is "Suspending his Campaign". Is that the step above being out?

Im wondering what the strategy is - it's not like he's out of money (one of the biggest fund raiser/spender in the game). He's getting beat by McCain badly, but what is the point of a suspended campaign v. ending a campaign?
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I'm wondering why Romney would stay in the hunt. He is pouring money down the drain now. His appeal to conservatives was smashed to pieces. He has nowhere to go and I'm thinking the Republican bigwigs are asking him to step aside. A McCain/Huckabee ticket makes a lot of sense although the pundits were saying even Huckabee isn't conservative enough for the conservatives. But when it comes down to it Huckabee's strength in the South coupled with McCains appeal to a broad spectrum of voters looks like their best shot.

On the other side I'd be looking at who has the most super delegates. Right now that would be the winning ticket.
I think your answer was near the start of this thread(see above). The bigwigs said step aside for the good of the party.
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I think clearly Obama and Romney are the only two candidates with an ounce of charisma left standing. I also think they are clearly the most intelligent candidates left. I do not think they will be the two choices in November though.
I'm going to come right and say that Obama will get the Democratic nomination. Hilary is beat, Obama is gaining like crazy on her, and as they say in politics, when you're not gaining, you're losing.
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I'm going to come right and say that Obama will get the Democratic nomination. Hilary is beat, Obama is gaining like crazy on her, and as they say in politics, when you're not gaining, you're losing.
If liberal voters are smart they will realize this and support him in the upcoming primaries. He can beat McCain...might not, but he can. Hillary can't.
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If liberal voters are smart they will realize this and support him in the upcoming primaries. He can beat McCain...might not, but he can. Hillary can't.
To me it depends all on running mates for VP. McCain should pick Huckabee, it's a no-brainer, he shores up his weakness among the Religious Right. Seeing as McCain himself has what seems to be a large appeal to moderate Democrats, this would give the Republicans a killer combination going into an election.

Obama needs to pick his running mate carefully. Someone white, male, and tad bit conservative.
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I'm going to come right and say that Obama will get the Democratic nomination. Hilary is beat, Obama is gaining like crazy on her, and as they say in politics, when you're not gaining, you're losing.
The momentum is one thing, but the demographics of the state primaries remaining show a lot of support for Hillary (not all mind you). Obama can have all the money in the world but he wont change the race card people in Heartland states. How pathetic is it to think people still take issue of skin color in 2008? Also, Hillary has one twice as many super delegates thus far (according to CNN it's 193 to 106). It looks more and more like those votes will be the ones to push one of them to the top. Shame really. It's an uphill battle to the end for Barack.

I think one thing he should be publicizing more than he is right now are who is voting for this guy. He absolutely kills Hillary among educated voters, a lot of blue collar democrats may be influence by that.
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The momentum is one thing, but the demographics of the state primaries remaining show a lot of support for Hillary (not all mind you). Obama can have all the money in the world but he wont change the race card people in Heartland states. How pathetic is it to think people still take issue of skin color in 2008? Also, Hillary has one twice as many super delegates thus far (according to CNN it's 193 to 106). It looks more and more like those votes will be the ones to push one of them to the top. Shame really. It's an uphill battle to the end for Barack.

I think one thing he should be publicizing more than he is right now are who is voting for this guy. He absolutely kills Hillary among educated voters, a lot of blue collar democrats may be influence by that.
As far as I know, winning superdelegates doesn't matter a darn. They vote for who they think will win.

Coming into the convention, Obama is going to look great. He won more delegates and more states on Super Tuesday, 1 month ago he didn't even look close.

Obama can CLEARLY take "heartland" states among Democrat voters, he killed in Georgia of all places. I'm pretty sure there aren't enough racists to make much of a difference these days.
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Kansas is a heartland state and Obama absolutely spanked Hillary here. Hmmmm.

Interesting that you assume that he lost or trails her in certain states because of race.
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To me it depends all on running mates for VP. McCain should pick Huckabee, it's a no-brainer, he shores up his weakness among the Religious Right. Seeing as McCain himself has what seems to be a large appeal to moderate Democrats, this would give the Republicans a killer combination going into an election.

Obama needs to pick his running mate carefully. Someone white, male, and tad bit conservative.
Edwards is the obvious choice there IMO. McCain and Huckabee...meh.

I don't share the view that Hillary can't beat McCain. Just looking at the interest of the democratic party in the media and among the voters right now (a lot of states are breaking records by the 2 to 1 margin), I don't see the a GOP president as being at all a possibility.
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Kansas is a heartland state and Obama absolutely spanked Hillary here. Hmmmm.

Interesting that you assume that he lost or trails her in certain states because of race.
A poll on CNN the other day said almost half of Americans consider race when voting.
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To me it depends all on running mates for VP. McCain should pick Huckabee, it's a no-brainer, he shores up his weakness among the Religious Right. Seeing as McCain himself has what seems to be a large appeal to moderate Democrats, this would give the Republicans a killer combination going into an election.

Obama needs to pick his running mate carefully. Someone white, male, and tad bit conservative.
Disagree on Huckabee. Being weak on the far right of the party isn't going to push those voters to vote for a liberal candidate (Obama) or for Hillary (she's Hillary).

I think the smart move for McCain would be to try and steal some more moderate votes from the Democrats.
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To me it depends all on running mates for VP. McCain should pick Huckabee, it's a no-brainer, he shores up his weakness among the Religious Right. Seeing as McCain himself has what seems to be a large appeal to moderate Democrats, this would give the Republicans a killer combination going into an election.

Obama needs to pick his running mate carefully. Someone white, male, and tad bit conservative.
You see, I disagree with Huckabee as the VP now. I was thinking along your lines too several months back but I think McCain has to be careful not to go too far right when picking a VP.

He does need to align the conservative base, but I think the threat of Obama or Clinton will do a pretty good job of that. If he picks Huckabee, he risks alienating large groups of moderate Republicans, straight moderates or moderate Democrats.

Perhaps someone like Charlie Crist? An interesting candidate (if the public wasnt so tired of the last name) would have been Jeb Bush. Look for him in 2012 (as VP) or 2016 for the big ticket.
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A poll on CNN the other day said almost half of Americans consider race when voting.
How many of those half are African-Americans?

That is the conveniently left out fact that makes the poll useless.
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How many of those half are African-Americans?

That is the conveniently left out fact that makes the poll useless.
Or Latinos.

I'm pretty sure 50% of Americans AREN'T slack-jawed yeehaws wearing flannel that go by the name, Cletus.

Clearly some racial tribalism plays some difference in making a vote choice. Probably not that big of a deal. Darn media can't read or create polls.
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Or Latinos.

I'm pretty sure 50% of Americans AREN'T slack-jawed yeehaws wearing flannel that go by the name, Cletus.

Clearly some racial tribalism plays some difference in making a vote choice. Probably not that big of a deal. Darn media can't read or create polls.
haha it's a good point they aren't all white, my bad for not picking up on that.

As far as super delegates go...They choose who they think is going to win? Can you expand on that?

How many delegate votes are up for grabs at the democratic convention?
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haha it's a good point they aren't all white, my bad for not picking up on that.

As far as super delegates go...They choose who they think is going to win? Can you expand on that?

How many delegate votes are up for grabs at the democratic convention?
As far as I know, superdelegates are like political professionals of the party. They go into the convention with the ability to switch allegiances and support any candidate. At that, my personal knowledge runs out and I would direct you to wikipedia.
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haha it's a good point they aren't all white, my bad for not picking up on that.

As far as super delegates go...They choose who they think is going to win? Can you expand on that?

How many delegate votes are up for grabs at the democratic convention?
http://politics.nytimes.com/election...ies/index.html

This might answer your question.
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So Romney is "Suspending his Campaign". Is that the step above being out?

Im wondering what the strategy is - it's not like he's out of money (one of the biggest fund raiser/spender in the game). He's getting beat by McCain badly, but what is the point of a suspended campaign v. ending a campaign?
Suspension is a nice way or saying, walking away before I lose. Its nothing but optics. It says to McCain that he respects him as an opponent (VP push?), and it says that he recognizes that there can be but one outcome.

As for the Republican VP... there's a definite mantra in US politics... gather the hardcores in the primary, and get moderate for the actual election. Lets face it, the Christian Right sure ain't voting for Obama or Clinton. They aren't going to throw their votes away for a third party candidate and watch the democrats come through the middle. Therefore, the only need to pander to them is now, during the primaries.

For that reason, I think McCain has to be thinking his VP should be someone also considered moderate, respectable and can steal votes in swing states. To me, out of the Presidential candidates, that's Giuliani. However, I see someone coming out of left field being announced as his running mate. It could even be Romney... but I highly, highly doubt it'll be Huckabee.
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