Bulldozing Shaw Nee Slopes golf course in Calgary?

[mykalberta]

I do agree that traffic in that area will be an issue.

I dont really see what the Transit issues would be that BR is mentioning but with the CTrain Station so close this was the perfect location for high density redevelopment.

Highland Park will be the next golf course redevelopment. It will be interesting how the City handles that one as its likely a great place for the same re-development if the North/Central line ever gets built

[Addick]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I don't think developing the land is a terrible idea, but I do think that some serious upgrades to the roads will be necessary.

I support the development but I also believe that the developer is responsible for the impact that their development will have and the development impact fee should reflect this reality. Consequently, I am interested in seeing what agreement the City has arranged with the development.

If Big Red actually had an interest in completing her duties as an Alderman, she would have turned the community's fight against the development into a plight to ensure the development impact fees were sufficient enough to fund the necessary infrastructure improvements.

[Nufy]

I didn't read the whole thing but 1700 houses or dwellings ?

Something tells me that a bunch of new condos will be mixed in to get that kind of numbers.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Highland Park will be the next golf course redevelopment.

I say bring it on - I'm getting tired of living with coyotes and skunks - especially the skunks. The coyotes at least keep the rabbits a bit in check.

It will be interesting how the City handles that one as its likely a great place for the same re-development if the North/Central line ever gets built

I know it's years away, but I really wish they would decide one way or the other on the route. As it stands now all the properties along Centre Street are detriorating rapidly. Maybe that is the City's intent - so they can pick it up at a lower price.

[Regular_John]

Originally Posted by Addick

I support the development but I also believe that the developer is responsible for the impact that their development will have and the development impact fee should reflect this reality. Consequently, I am interested in seeing what agreement the City has arranged with the development.

If Big Red actually had an interest in completing her duties as an Alderman, she would have turned the community's fight against the development into a plight to ensure the development impact fees were sufficient enough to fund the necessary infrastructure improvements.

In typical Big Red fashion she goes for style over substance, grandstanding to the media "NO BIG DEVELOPER! WE WILL NOT TAKE THIS LAYING DOWN!" instead of actually working towards a resolution.

Here entire "battle" here seemed to be "we're gonna save the green space!" instead of as you said, focusing on the actual impact it would have on the community.

I know she's not unique in this, but even for a politician she manages to be speaking all the time without actually saying a single thing.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by First Lady

I say bring it on - I'm getting tired of living with coyotes and skunks - especially the skunks. The coyotes at least keep the rabbits a bit in check.

I know it's years away, but I really wish they would decide one way or the other on the route. As it stands now all the properties along Centre Street are detriorating rapidly. Maybe that is the City's intent - so they can pick it up at a lower price.

The decision on North Central LRT alignment will likely be made within about a year. Remember that only a year or so ago, the alignment was still slated for Nose Creek - so it takes a bit of time to determine the feasibility of a more central alignment.

You're right that a decision needs to be made in the interest of properties along the corridor. Landowners are unwilling to invest until they have some certainty. There's a lot of potential redevelopment up and down Centre Street, which I think is the only viable alignment for the North Central LRT. In the shorter term, there will be a dedicated transitway built (phase 1) between the bluff and 24th avenue. This will include complete streetscape upgrade as well.

[Rudee]

1700 new homes, average of two cars per household. 3400 more vehicles clogging up an already ridiculously clogged community. All the communities in the vicinity can welcome increased crime, traffic and other nasty things that goes along with increased population density.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Rudee

1700 new homes, average of two cars per household. 3400 more vehicles clogging up an already ridiculously clogged community. All the communities in the vicinity can welcome increased crime, traffic and other nasty things that goes along with increased population density.

Thanks for my laugh of the morning, I really needed that.

[Rudee]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

I do agree that traffic in that area will be an issue.

The big thing is, traffic in the area is already an issue. All the other communities in the area west of Macleod trail between James Mckevett and 162nd are going to be most affected. If you thought it was a pain in the ass in the morning to get onto Macleod trail from those communities, it's going to be even more of a pain in the ass with upwards of 3400 new vehicles on the roads.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Rudee

1700 new homes, average of two cars per household. 3400 more vehicles clogging up an already ridiculously clogged community. All the communities in the vicinity can welcome increased crime, traffic and other nasty things that goes along with increased population density.

I don't support your second sentence at all, but the first is a major concern. I have no idea how the city can continually gear up for more development south of Fish Creek when there is one way across and absolutely no political will to build another way across.

Saying this is "transit oriented" is also laughable. I suppose its "c-train oriented" because these people are sort of close. Theoretically people could walk from these new residences to the train, but in all honesty we're talking about a pretty long walk here for some of the people. Add to that the fact that there are really no close services/amenities for these new residents (ie. grocery stores, drug stores, etc.) and you have a whole lot of new cars with nowhere to drive anywhere easily.

[polak]

They need to bite the bullet and finish 14th Street.

I can't imagine another 3000 cars trying to get onto Macleod.

[Skootenbeeten]

If those weren't million dollar houses would this even be a question?

[polak]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

If those weren't million dollar houses would this even be a question?

Yes.
Anytime you add 1700 homes to an area without any infrastructure upgrades you should have many questions.

I had days where it took me an hour to get on to macleod from shawnessy blvd. during rush hour. That area can not support anymore people until the ring road is built. Flat out.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Slava

Theoretically people could walk from these new residences to the train, but in all honesty we're talking about a pretty long walk here for some of the people.

Isn't this already close to an existing train station? About a close as any community can possibily be?

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

If those weren't million dollar houses would this even be a question?

They are? I don't see anything listed above $700k. (And little even above $500k.)

[polak]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Isn't this already close to an existing train station? About a close as any community can possibily be?

Depends. The eastern most sections of the golf course would be a 5-10 minute walk. The western most sections could take up to 20-30 minutes. Considering that all the c-train parking lots are full by 6:30, that whole area is messed transit wise regardless.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Rudee

1700 new homes, average of two cars per household. 3400 more vehicles clogging up an already ridiculously clogged community. All the communities in the vicinity can welcome increased crime, traffic and other nasty things that goes along with increased population density.

Average of 2 cars per household is a bit over the top.

Likely 1.5 with the density planned. You will likely see alot of condo and single car garage homes.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Average of 2 cars per household is a bit over the top.

Likely 1.5 with the density planned. You will likely see alot of condo and single car garage homes.

True, but each home will contribute 2.5 graffiti artists each and 0.5 murderers.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Average of 2 cars per household is a bit over the top.

Likely 1.5 with the density planned. You will likely see alot of condo and single car garage homes.

Even 1.5 is high. A high percentage of those units are condos, where car ownership will be around 1 per unit.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Isn't this already close to an existing train station? About a close as any community can possibily be?



They are? I don't see anything listed above $700k. (And little even above $500k.)

Its fairly close, but some of that is probably a good 1/2 hour walk? I confess that I'm not sure exactly where they're building the majority of the residences here though. I would just guess that to walk from Evergreen Street (which is basically the far west boundary of the parcel) to the c-train is about 1/2 hour each way.

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Even 1.5 is high. A high percentage of those units are condos, where car ownership will be around 1 per unit.

I feel bad for people that fall for that. No car there would mean a long trek to a grocery store and basically anything else you need.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by 4X4

1700 houses? That seems like a lot for the area.

It a bit out of date but the city has some numbers - say you compare against the directly adjacent Millrise community.

Millrise has roughly 2400 dwellings and Shawnee has 600. Quick look seems to indicate that Millrise is slightly larger in terms of land area but that 1700 dwelling number could certainly change as development continues. For giggles, it looks like Shawnessy has 3300 dwellings (also larger in land size).

Doesn't seem insanely out of whack at a quick glance.