$300 ticket???

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

Police are required to appear in court just like civilians and get subpeona's as well. The ramifications are the same if they dont show with the addition of an internal Police Act charge. It is rare, but it can happen.

Lemme run a quick scenario and you can see why at times an officer may not show:
Officer receives subpeona several months before court- court is at 9:30 AM. Day before court, shift starts @ 9 PM. Very busy. No breaks, no rest. Shift time ends at 7 AM. Officers than gets tied up on a nasty call at 5 or 6 AM. Overtime is EXTREMELY common. Officer gets off shift at 10 or 11 AM, thus missing court. And than goes home, gets sleep (hopefully) than goes back to work for a short shift change @ 6 PM. Sounds like fun eh?

It's a good thing guys like Soulchoice only look out for themselves and change court dates as many times as possible to screw with an already screwed up schedule and lifestyle.

And what? Are you one of those guys that are so concerned with what other people choose to do for themselves(ie, me fighting every ticket if I have the time), since you have nothing else on your own plate? Spare me your ethical or moral views.

I dont care what schedule of any cop I may or may not screw up, if it benefits my situation. Yes, I may seem to be self centered by doing what is neccessary for myself, so be it.

If someone wants to fight and manipulate the system for their own benefit, great for them. If they dont want to and just pay up(as it seems you do), great for them too. I dont have the time, nor does it matter to me what route any person takes. I am not concerned with choices others make, as its none of my business. If it works for them, great.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

I dont care what schedule of any cop I may or may not screw up, if it benefits my situation. Yes, I may seem to be self centered by doing what is neccessary for myself, so be it.

If someone wants to fight and manipulate the system for their own benefit, great for them. If they dont want to and just pay up(as it seems you do), great for them too. I dont have the time, nor does it matter to me what route any person takes. I am not concerned with choices others make, as its none of my business. If it works for them, great.

My question to you is this; to what ends will you go to do what is right for you, and screw everybody else? We live in a community; and for that community to function we have to make sure we are not trying to hog all the resources for ourselves.

Are you comfortable with the fact that because you went to court just to play the "cop not showing up lottery" that some 8 year old who's parents are abusing him has to spend another day living in that hell hole; because the courts were to busy to hear his case? Maybe that's a bit of a stretch, but the bottom line is the reason court dates are months into the future is they courts are too busy to handle the work load.

Also keep in mind that by pleading not guilty when you know you are guilty is lying; and lying when somebody asks you to swear to tell the truth- as opposed to answerring the question of "do these jeans make me look fat?" If you are comfortable using dishoensty and deception to get ahead in life; at the cost of others, then I guess there isn't much else to say at this point.

[soulchoice]

I dont plead not guilty, I have always told the JP, I will plead guilty, but would like a reduction and/or demerit reduction. Lets be realistic here as well, in the ticket fighting approach I do, its a little dramatic to say any person is hogging all the resources for themself.

As far as to what lengths I go with respect to doing what is best for myself, that depends on every situation. Like I mentioned, I am not here to try and change anyones views on life, etc, as it doesnt matter to me what others do in their life. I am merely explaining what I would do in this situation with this or any ticket.

If there are people out there not comfortable with my tactics, dont do it. If they want to use the system to their benefit, all the power to them as well. I really dont have the time nor am I ever concerned with what people choose to do.

Hah... you make me laugh.

If you don't care what other do or think, it seems rather ironic that you post at all. Do you not post because you do care what others do or think. Also, you seem to be back peddling a bit now. It's one thing to see the JP and ask for a fine reduction or demerit reduction, it's a completely other thing to lie and ask for a date change in hopes that if you screw around enough, someone, a cop or witness won't show.

Bottom line is, your true colors really shine through in your posts. But that's right, you don't care. Something tells me you care enough to respond to this post.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

Hah... you make me laugh.

If you don't care what other do or think, it seems rather ironic that you post at all. Do you not post because you do care what others do or think. Also, you seem to be back peddling a bit now. It's one thing to see the JP and ask for a fine reduction or demerit reduction, it's a completely other thing to lie and ask for a date change in hopes that if you screw around enough, someone, a cop or witness won't show.

Bottom line is, your true colors really shine through in your posts. But that's right, you don't care. Something tells me you care enough to respond to this post.

No back peddling here, when I do actually meet up with the JP(it will happen, even after changing the court dates around and if the cop is there). I plead guilty with a reduction. Try and follow along now.

Originally Posted by soulchoice

No back peddling here, when I do actually meet up with the JP(it will happen, even after changing the court dates around and if the cop is there). I plead guilty with a reduction. Try and follow along now.

Alright, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you.

How about this, you do whatever you can to make your life better and screw everyone else. And everyone else will clean up after people like you.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

No back peddling here, when I do actually meet up with the JP(it will happen, even after changing the court dates around and if the cop is there). I plead guilty with a reduction. Try and follow along now.

I don't get it... you keep talking about court and hoping the cop isn't there... but then you talk about visiting the JP and bargaining. These are 2 entirely different things. I don't get your tactics, because if you have a court date and are hoping the cop doesn't show, you've already entered a not-guilty plea.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

Alright, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you.

How about this, you do whatever you can to make your life better and screw everyone else. And everyone else will clean up after people like you.

What is there left to clean up after the guy attempts to get out of a speeding ticket?

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

I don't get it... you keep talking about court and hoping the cop isn't there... but then you talk about visiting the JP and bargaining. These are 2 entirely different things. I don't get your tactics, because if you have a court date and are hoping the cop doesn't show, you've already entered a not-guilty plea.

My bad, here is a better explanation then. Its been a while since I have contested a ticket, as I have not had one for a while. I will usually plead no contest or tell the individual at the window i want a court date to allow myself to be heard( allowing the opportunity to challenge). Although, I cant remember my exact words. in addition to needing to move the court date to another time. Hence I am challenging the ticket.

Once I do decide to actually go to the court hearing, I get an opportunity to speak with the Judge, at which time, if the cop is present, I will change my plea(which legally I am entitled to), with a request for a reduction in fine and demerits.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

Alright, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you.

How about this, you do whatever you can to make your life better and screw everyone else. And everyone else will clean up after people like you.

I never considered it to be a pissing match, merely a discussion of what one of us will do in this situation. It just so happens we have different views.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

LOL. He's just trying to figure it out. I am curious as well, because I think the argument about hoping for a cop to no-show is overused.

I understand he was trying to figure it out.

It looks like Ken posted info that supports my point of view.