Violence in Gaza...

[Azure]

Thanks for ignoring the links I posted.

I already said I blame both, but Israel recently gave up the Gaza Strip, and the Palestinians are still fighting amongst themselves.

And HAMAS has stated numerous times they will not accept Israel as a state. But we should blame Israel for that.

[Azure]

Oh well, shall we blame Israel for this too?

The Palestinian unity government which will be formed under an agreement reached in Saudi Arabia will not recognize Israel, a political advisor to Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas said Saturday.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/823843.html

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Azure

Whoa....you mean suicide bombers have the right to blow up innocent civilians?

Oh wait, suicide bombers don't even attack the land that is rightfully theirs. They just go straight in Tel Aviv and kill as many people as possible.

So much for the belief that Palestinians are defending their homeland.

Er... so because some Palestinians have been suicide bombers in Tel Aviv, Palestinians in general 'aren't defending their homeland'? I'm sure they see it differently.

[Azure]

Oh I'm sure the everyday Palestinians are sick and tired of the violence being driven by HAMAS, but if you're served with two choices, HAMAS or Fatah, what can you do?

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Er... so because some Palestinians have been suicide bombers in Tel Aviv, Palestinians in general 'aren't defending their homeland'? I'm sure they see it differently.

No, they are attacking Israel. The amount of time and money they spend digging tunnels or firing rockets in the hopes of killing a jew or two.....they could have built a nation or at least something resembling civilisation

But they choose not to.

[eazyduzzit]

Originally Posted by Azure

Thanks for ignoring the links I posted.

I already said I blame both, but Israel recently gave up the Gaza Strip, and the Palestinians are still fighting amongst themselves.

And HAMAS has stated numerous times they will not accept Israel as a state. But we should blame Israel for that.

I don't mean to barge in on your discussion with Looger but;

• Why where they in Gaza in the first place? Settling there citizens...

• Why are they building walls arond Jerusalem? Considering it was suppose to be a neutral site.

• Why are they walling in Palestinian cities IN Palestinian territory?

• Why are Palestinians loosing more and more territory each year to the expansion of Israeli settlements?

• Why are they evicting Palestinians from neighbourhoods in Jerusalem and expanding settlements around Jerusalem, IN Palestinian territory. The population of Jerusalem in the last 15 years has saw the population of arabs severely decrease and the population of Israelis drastically increase.

• Why are Israelis evicting Palestinian farmers from THERE land, to make room for the expansion of ILLEGAL settlements?

• Why does Israel hold a monopoly over all things considered good in the West Bank? Tourism land around the Dead Sea, land rich in agraculture, water sources and other such areas of intrest?

After all...this IS suppose to be Palestinian land????!!!

The same week they where pulling out of Gaza, they where expanding some settlement outposts in the southern West Bank by up to 2000 units. Why are they there?

Since 2000, many israeli settlements have continues to expand and will continue. israel has vowed many times it will no give up these settlements because they claim it's now there land.

Best link I can find with what limited time i have: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli...ion_Statistics

Explain this please?

You speak so casually as if Israel has a right to settle it's citizens on land that is not theres and is internationally condemmed. You speak as if this is such a good gesture and the Palestinians should just accept. Israel should not have it's citizens on any Palestinian land, period. It should not be building walls around Palestinian cities, period. It should not be using the "Security wall" to annex more territory of which they want. Israeli settlers are scum bags and i've seen it first hand. They are just as extreme as the avarage Palestinian hamas suicide bomber, only difference is, they get to stand beside a western war machine, the Palestinians don't have that liberty.

As i have said previously, the Gaza removal was a media ploy to score brownie points. There is nothing of intrest in Gaza for the Israelis, it's one big refugee camp.





Israelis are using settlements to draw there own boarders.

Wake up, please.

[Azure]

Fair enough. I have never said Israel isn't at fault with some of the problems, but when the Palestinian government is refusing to recognize Israel as a nation, and refuses to abide by something even Arafat acknowledged, we have a problem.

September 9, 1993
Yitzhak Rabin
Prime Minister of Israel

Mr. Prime Minister,

The signing of the Declaration of Principles marks a new era...I would like to confirm the following PLO commitments: The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security. The PLO accepts United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338. The PLO commits itself...to a peaceful resolution of the conflict between the two sides and declares that all outstanding issues relating to permanent status will be resolved through negotiations...the PLO renounces the use of terrorism and other acts of violence and will assume responsibility over all PLO elements and personnel in order to assure their compliance, prevent violations and discipline violators...the PLO affirms that those articles of the Palestinian Covenant which deny Israel's right to exist, and the provisions of the Covenant which are inconsistent with the commitments of this letter are now inoperative and no longer valid. Consequently, the PLO undertakes to submit to the Palestinian National Council for formal approval the necessary changes in regard to the Palestinian Covenant.


Sincerely,

Yasser Arafat
Chairman:
The Palestine Liberation Organization

EDIT: Also, do you really think if Israel would give back at that land that you say is rightfully Palestine's, the violence would stop? The suicide bombings would stop?

[Azure]

And please resize your image....