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[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by Flame On@Oct 19 2004, 12:10 PM
Is it possible to have a OT Troll? Both sjwalter and arsenal have about as good a grip on language as a troll I'm sure. And before I'm accused of discounting them cause they don't agree with me, I'll point out that barely a thing comes out of DIS's fingers that I agree with but he doesn't confuse his point more than he makes it.

I don't think that's really fair. I think you've got a couple of younger posters who are trying to find their way through the CP forest and are just doing their best to gain some acceptance of their view points. Cut them some slack. While there have been times where I've wanted to ram a pencil into my eye while reading both you do have to credit their enthusiasm and williness to put up a fight, no matter how poorly constructed or defended. Give them time and I'm sure they will turn into solid posters in their own right... I hope. Otherwise we will just have to crush them like the bugs they are!!!

[arsenal]

Originally posted by Lanny_Macdonald+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lanny_Macdonald)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>1)# What visual from the 911 attacks is most impactful?# The jet striking the first tower, the jet striking the second tower, or the towers coming down?[/b]

You mean when it is blacked out?

Originally posted by Lanny_Macdonald@
2)# What building is Moore doing an interview outside of when he is approached by a secuirty guard, and who does that security guard work for?

Outside the Saudi Arabian embassy, CIA agent.

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3)# What is the last scene in the movie and what is the last line?[/quote]Don't remember. It was like 3am when I watched it.

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[Flame On]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald+Oct 19 2004, 02:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lanny_MacDonald @ Oct 19 2004, 02:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flame On@Oct 19 2004, 12:10 PM
Is it possible to have a OT Troll? Both sjwalter and arsenal have about as good a grip on language as a troll I'm sure. And before I'm accused of discounting them cause they don't agree with me, I'll point out that barely a thing comes out of DIS's fingers that I agree with but he doesn't confuse his point more than he makes it.

I don't think that's really fair. I think you've got a couple of younger posters who are trying to find their way through the CP forest and are just doing their best to gain some acceptance of their view points. Cut them some slack. While there have been times where I've wanted to ram a pencil into my eye while reading both you do have to credit their enthusiasm and williness to put up a fight, no matter how poorly constructed or defended. Give them time and I'm sure they will turn into solid posters in their own right... I hope. Otherwise we will just have to crush them like the bugs they are!!!

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Oh alright! I guess we/I shouldn't be too harsh. I just came late to this interesting looking thread, and found it brain shatteringly irksome to try to skim and fathom. Let alone contribute.

[calculoso]

Originally posted by Flame On@Oct 19 2004, 06:10 AM
Is it possible to have a OT Troll? Both sjwalter and arsenal have about as good a grip on language as a troll I'm sure. And before I'm accused of discounting them cause they don't agree with me, I'll point out that barely a thing comes out of DIS's fingers that I agree with but he doesn't confuse his point more than he makes it.

You mean like you? I haven't seen one useful or insightful post from you on the OT board yet....

Nothing like a Troll trying to out another troll so the first doesn't look like one...

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[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by arsenal+Oct 19 2004, 02:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (arsenal @ Oct 19 2004, 02:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

You mean when it is blacked out?

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2)# What building is Moore doing an interview outside of when he is approached by a secuirty guard, and who does that security guard work for?

Outside the Saudi Arabian embassy, CIA agent.

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3)# What is the last scene in the movie and what is the last line?[/quote]Don't remember. It was like 3am when I watched it.

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Well, you're 50%. You got the easiest one in the visuals. The second one is correct on the location, but wrong on the agency the guard worked for. He was Secret Service, and that was mentioned about four times. The last scene and line of the movie was also an easy one, one that anyone who saw the movie, especially a Republican supporter, would not forget. It was George Bush standing at the podium reminding Americans "we won't be fooled again". I'm still skeptical about you seeing the movie, and even more skeptical about Hype. Just my opinion.

[arsenal]

I will mention that the rapper/hip hop artist named in the movie by one of the recruiting officers in Flint, is Shaggy.

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald
I'm still skeptical about you seeing the movie, and even more skeptical about Hype. Just my opinion.

Thats your right as well.

[Savvy27]

Originally posted by sjwalter@Oct 19 2004, 04:11 AM
Bush is trying. Clinton gave up is what i am refering too.

But Bush is using the same anti-terrorism plan as Clinton instituted at the end of his presidency now after having dropped it when he first came into power.

Seriously, read a few books. The hypocrisy of everything you say in mind numbing. You won't watch Farenheit 9/11 because it only shows one point of view, but you also base all of your opinions (in this thread anyway) on a negative review showing one opinion, the opinion of your (terrible sounding) teacher, and the fact that you live in a conservative community. This is why you're sounding so uninformed, because you're not making an effort to inform yourself.

The 'talking points' Lanny is referring to are what political parties use to reinforce the opinions of people who don't bother getting any real information. Like Kerry being a 'flip-flopper' citing the fact that he voted for and against the invasion of Iraq. As long as people don't actually look into the fact that there were two different versions to vote on.

Here's an example, on a bill to 'protect mothers' that would classify the murder of a pregnant mother as a double homicide. Well Kerry obviously can't vote for that because if it was a double homicide then that would mean that the fetus would have to be viewed as a living person with rights and then it would be pretty difficult to say that abortions should be legal. So after this vote all of a sudden Kerry is 'against protecting pregnant women' and people say it over and over so people who have a casual interest in politics all of a sudden think that he must not care about pregnant women without considering any of the implications of the vote.

Please, before coming back to argue, do some reading and learn a few things about the world. I recommend Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them by Al Franken, regardless of your left-right position its a good book to read to understand how the media is used.

(And please in the future keep the Saddam-Napolean comparison to a minimum...)

[Lanny_MacDonald]

BTW... an interesting bit of trivia associated to F911, one that will hopefully show that Moore does have a sense of moral decency. In the original cut of the film there was an interview with Nicolas Berg, who would later be beheaded by kidnappers. Out of respect to Berg and his family Moore dropped the footage of the slain American.

Now, imagine the impact of having Berg in the movie? Wow. I think that by excluding that footage he softened it compared to what he could have. If it was nothing but a political hammerfest he was doing, he would have left the footage in and let the chips fall IMO.

[Flame On]

Originally posted by calculoso+Oct 19 2004, 03:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (calculoso @ Oct 19 2004, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flame On@Oct 19 2004, 06:10 AM
Is it possible to have a OT Troll? Both sjwalter and arsenal have about as good a grip on language as a troll I'm sure. And before I'm accused of discounting them cause they don't agree with me, I'll point out that barely a thing comes out of DIS's fingers that I agree with but he doesn't confuse his point more than he makes it.

You mean like you? I haven't seen one useful or insightful post from you on the OT board yet....

Nothing like a Troll trying to out another troll so the first doesn't look like one...

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Well I disagree with you but that's fine if you think that loso, but I was more getting at a an inability of mine to understand their posts. But if everyone else thinks they're concise and insightful like you do, fine too.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by Savvy27@Oct 19 2004, 03:47 PM
I recommend Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them by Al Franken, regardless of your left-right position its a good book to read to understand how the media is used.

Ouch! I'm not sure I would recommend somethng like that. It might send the poor kid into shock! Franken is a little too left-wing for my liking. He's the ying to An Coulter's yang IMO. They are both a little on the fringe. Mind you, the guy did try and defend Sean Hannity so it might be worth while for him to read a well written and researched book like that. Personally I would start out with Blinded by the Right, by David Brock. Extremely insightful and good primer. After reading that go on to The Republican Noise Machine. The next step would to be to read one of Brock's own books when he wrote for the neo-con movement, like The Real Anita Hill, and see how he himself used the techniques he refers to in Blinded and Noise. Eye opening? Extremely.

[Savvy27]

Yeah I agree he's a little blinded by his loyalty to the democrats. But, the chapters about the media are very well researched and written. I'll have to check out that book you mentioned.

The defense of Sean Hannity just reminded me of Franken's book.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 19 2004, 03:50 PM
BTW... an interesting bit of trivia associated to F911, one that will hopefully show that Moore does have a sense of moral decency. In the original cut of the film there was an interview with Nicolas Berg, who would later be beheaded by kidnappers. Out of respect to Berg and his family Moore dropped the footage of the slain American.

Now, imagine the impact of having Berg in the movie? Wow. I think that by excluding that footage he softened it compared to what he could have. If it was nothing but a political hammerfest he was doing, he would have left the footage in and let the chips fall IMO.

In what context was he in the film? Why was he interviewed?

That's bizarre. First this guy gives his computer password at OU to Massoui, then he's interviewed for F911....and finally is beheaded by Al Zarqawi in Baghdad?

That seems a little strange to me.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

I'm not sure Dis. I know he was interviewed in Iraq, so it could have been to do with being a contractor. The guy had a strange life that is for certain. Makes you wonder.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan+Oct 18 2004, 08:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Displaced Flames fan @ Oct 18 2004, 08:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-FlamesAddiction@Oct 19 2004, 02:50 AM

Saddam Hussein was told by ambassador April Glaspie that the U.S. was not interested in his dispute with Kuwait and would not stand in his way.# Shortly after the green light was given, he invaded.# If not for the information Glaspie gave him, it is unlikely that he would have invaded Kuwait.

And what was the nature of that 'dispute'?

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Kuwait was selling oil under the table at cheaper prices than everyone else, which was weakening Iraq's economy. Hell, even Bush senior wanted the price of oil higher than it was, but because of Kuwait's actions the price was driven down a bit. However, Saddam also claimed Iraq had historically included Kuwait as part of the country as well, but that was false I believe.

Oh and Kuwait supported terrorism and had heaps of WMD's they were going to attack Iraq with ...

[FlamesAddiction]

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