Harper to Bring Home Evacuees on Government Plane

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Shazam

After Provincial, Federal, CPP, EI a person making $75K a year in Alberta makes $2128 NET based on 24 pay periods. Take off $44/mt for Health care premiums.

So you're saying that the person only pays $24K in taxes a year instead of $30k. IMO, the 30 was a pretty good guess....

[Shazam]

Familiy class immigrants make up the majority of immigration to Canada.

You have proof, or are you just making stuff out of your ass farts again?

And those comparisons are are soooo alike. When our ancestors came over that was part of the deal. They got some free land and thats it. No healthcare, wealfare, language training, education....nothing.

Wow. You truly have zero idea what you're talking about. In fact, the RCMP was in full force when people settled the Canadian prairies. Land surveying was already going on. Supply lines were formed to keep the RCMP from starving to death and to keep them armed. A whole support network was already here when the settlers showed up.

As for evacuating Canadian citizens (not chickens, or big screen TVs)from Lebanon, well, there's plenty of historial precendent for a country evacuating their citizens from war-torn regions.

Is it expensive? Sure.
Are some of them Canadian citizens that haven't stepped on Canadian soil in years? Maybe.
Are they Canadian citizens? Yes

And why are people astounded over the 50K number? There's over 1.5 million Canadians in the USA alone at any given time. There's over 100K Canadians in the Los Angeles area alone.

Look, when even Harper's gov't goes out and rescues people, that's speaking volumes about what even a Conservative gov't considers a priority in terms of gov't roles. I'd hardly call this pork barrel politics, which "joke of moke" seems to have confused it with.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by calculoso

So you're saying that the person only pays $24K in taxes a year instead of $30k. IMO, the 30 was a pretty good guess....

Yeah, he was only off by 20%. That's a mighty good guess. I hope you're as generous when a cashier is off by 20%...

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Can you show me anywhere in this post where someone says that there are two statuses: 1 for born Canadians and 1 for those born abroad especially the comment about being born in ASIA or ARAB??????? Thats right, you can't, so where are you pulling this crap out of.

I think this says exactly that: "The vast majority of the "Canadians" being evacuated are repatriated Lebanese who never had plans to ever come back to Canada. We really don't owe them anything." Surely even you can recognize that it suggests some Canadian citizens should have fewer rights than others.[/quote]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Should the Canadian government have 15 crusise ships stationed strategically around the world just in case something happens and we need to get people out? These kind hostilities happen almost daily in the mid east. It probaly took a day or two just to realize that this was a little more serious than normal. Then you have to round up ships to come to the area and let me tell you these ships don't have warp drives to get them there in a few minutes. Where talking days. So walla. There is your 6 days it took to get the first people out.

All I expect is for my country to act at least as quickly as the other countries evacuating there citizens. I'd also expect them to have a plan.

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

It's people like you that we are talking about, complain, complain, complain. I have a right to everything. The government doesn't have to do this, they don't have to save your ass because you decided to leave the safe confines of Canada. So if you get anything!!!!!!!!!11 Be happy

You don't know me you twit, so don't pretend you do. I'm exactly the opposite of what you suggest. No one is prouder to be a Canadian than I am. One of the great things about being Canadian is that I am entitled to disagree with the government or government policy and to voice my opinion. I KNOW you're not a Bush supporter but I think you agree with his Party's opinion that any who criticizes their government is unpatriotic. Far from it. Some people just have higher expectations.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Yeah, he was only off by 20%. That's a mighty good guess. I hope you're as generous when a cashier is off by 20%...

If you add in RRSP's (which aren't taxes, but can still come off of your paycheck before you get it) and other deductions, it should be fairly easy to see how $30K of your paycheck doesn't come directly to your bank account.

I don't know if that's what he was getting at (certainly didn't specify it like that), but it's how I took it anyway.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

You don't know me you twit, so don't pretend you do. I'm exactly the opposite of what you suggest. No one is prouder to be a Canadian than I am.

I hope that you don't expect that all "Canadian Citizens" think like you do. I happen to as well - I am Canadian! - but there are those that are in Lebanon and elsewhere that don't pay taxes, don't ever plan on coming back, are only Canadian for cases like this. They do not think like me and you... and yet are expected to be "saved" at the drop of a hat just like me and you? I disagree.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

... and if they haven't even stepped foot on Canadian soil in several years - then why should the government give them anything.

But they should. Because whether you like it or not, they are Canadians, exactly like you.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Shazam

You have proof, or are you just making stuff out of your ass farts again?

Wow. You truly have zero idea what you're talking about. In fact, the RCMP was in full force when people settled the Canadian prairies. Land surveying was already going on. Supply lines were formed to keep the RCMP from starving to death and to keep them armed. A whole support network was already here when the settlers showed up.

As for evacuating Canadian citizens (not chickens, or big screen TVs)from Lebanon, well, there's plenty of historial precendent for a country evacuating their citizens from war-torn regions.

Is it expensive? Sure.
Are some of them Canadian citizens that haven't stepped on Canadian soil in years? Maybe.
Are they Canadian citizens? Yes

And why are people astounded over the 50K number? There's over 1.5 million Canadians in the USA alone at any given time. There's over 100K Canadians in the Los Angeles area alone.

Look, when even Harper's gov't goes out and rescues people, that's speaking volumes about what even a Conservative gov't considers a priority in terms of gov't roles. I'd hardly call this pork barrel politics, which "joke of moke" seems to have confused it with.

"why are people astounded over the 50K number?" I'm astounded because I can't even imagine any other country besides the USA or maybe the UK having this many Canadians, especially half way across the world. The USA and Canada have a long history of common culture, language, religion, government, economy and movement across the border. I never imagined we had the same relationship with Lebanon.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

No matter if you are born in Canada or immigrate here, there should be a residency obligation that one has to meet inorder to retain ones citizenship.

I'd take it a step further and say that no matter if you are born in Canada or emmigrate there, there should be an intelligence test.

Maybe you should check with your "intelligence sources" (do they come to you via the Stargate?).

One of the fundamental Rights of ALL CANADIANS is: "right to enter, remain in and leave Canada."

Thank God you and your ilk didn't frame your own version of the Charter of Rights.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

One of the fundamental Rights of ALL CANADIANS is: "right to enter, remain in and leave Canada."

Thank God you and your ilk didn't frame your own version of the Charter of Rights.

Sure they have the right to enter, remain and leave Canada, nobody's denying that but do they have the right to expect to be rescued, at government expence, when they have resettled in their homeland after we already bailed them out once. How many times will we have to do this? Nice work if you can get it. I guess this is where you say 'they have the best of both worlds'.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by calculoso

If you still own a home in Canada and pay taxes in Canada then you are contributing to Canada.

I'm willing to bet that most of those 50,000 do not pay taxes in Canada. IMO, they do not deserve the same support that you would.

and it's pretty ignorant for these people to expect Canada to take care of them. Send 'em the bill like the US is doing.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by habernac

and it's pretty ignorant for these people to expect Canada to take care of them. Send 'em the bill like the US is doing.

Oh yeah, that's what we need to strive for. To be just like the US. Let's put a handgun in every home while we're at it and make it too expensive to get sick.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

But they should. Because whether you like it or not, they are Canadians, exactly like you.

And when it comes right down to it, I'm glad we can help them.

However, it insults me to no end when these people turn around and criticize Canada because they were too cramped on the ships, and meanwhile, others are complaining that we were too slow. Some were complaining that they were not given food, and another woman even complained that Canada did not pay for were cab fare to get to Beirut to be evacuated. I even heard another complaining that people were sea sick, and somehow that is Canada's fault. She then went on to say that she was no longer proud to be a Canadian.

People like that do not deserve our help. And yet when they get here, they will still need our help.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Oh yeah, that's what we need to strive for. To be just like the US. Let's put a handgun in every home while we're at it and make it too expensive to get sick.

Man, are you ever out to lunch. This has zero to do with handguns. Even the USA has good ideas sometimes.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Oh yeah, that's what we need to strive for. To be just like the US. Let's put a handgun in every home while we're at it and make it too expensive to get sick.

You're right. Because any comparison to the US is bad.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Oh yeah, that's what we need to strive for. To be just like the US. Let's put a handgun in every home while we're at it and make it too expensive to get sick.

yeah, that's what I said, let's give everyone a handgun.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I never imagined we had the same relationship with Lebanon.

Hey, where do you think all those Shawarma places in town come from?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by habernac

yeah, that's what I said, let's give everyone a handgun.

Why would you say that? I don't think its a good idea.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Why would you say that? I don't think its a good idea.

so they can shoot people who don't have any idea what sarcasm is.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Hey, where do you think all those Shawarma places in town come from?

You're making me hungry and unfortunately I no longer live in Calgary.