Israel and Lebanon now fighting

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Isn't it interesting how the left-wingers will defend the governments of countries that are dicatorships, but won't defend the government of the only viable democracy in the region.

The left really DOES hate the west. I always thought so, but conflicts like this only go to prove it.

What a tool you are proving to be.

Anything intelligent to add, or just trolling on every thread, and stirring he pot?

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

What a tool you are proving to be.

Anything intelligent to add, or just trolling on every thread, and stirring he pot?

Well I'm sticking to the facts unlike you who is now using personal attacks. So who's the tool now?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Here's hoping they stop killing innocent people and bullying the governments of their neighbours.

Until Lebanon and Syria stop offering aid and comfort to terrorist groups its unlikely that Israel can or would be willing to stop. Israel is going to want a buffer zone and they're going to get it.

I certainly don't blame them. Countries that support these groups have been getting away with it for too long, and its now a matter of protecting its own people for Israel.

I'm sad about the innocent people on both sides, but Israel has tried to trade land for piece and eaten rockets for it, they've tried to separate themselves from the rest of the region, and had thier markets and buses bombs.

The Lebanon's, Syria's, and Palestines and thier governments have to accept a lot of the blame for this. Thier arrogance in supporting murderous thugs and killers has forced thier own people to pay the price.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Well I'm sticking to the facts unlike you who is now using personal attacks. So who's the tool now?

Fact:Knowledge or information based on real occurrences.

Opinion:A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof.

Originally Posted by White Doors

Isn't it interesting how the left-wingers will defend the governments of countries that are dicatorships, but won't defend the government of the only viable democracy in the region.

The left really DOES hate the west. I always thought so, but conflicts like this only go to prove it.

Your still the tool. Mix in a book pal, the internet isnt helping you gain any knowledge. I wont respond to you again until you PROVE to me everything i highlghted is indeed, fact, as you claim.

[White Doors]

Well maybe if you read anything besides the dictionary, you'd have a semblance of knowledge of what is happening now in the area and the history behind it.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Well maybe if you read anything besides the dictionary, you'd have a semblance of knowledge of what is happening now in the area and the history behind it.

I am waiting for the facts about your "truths"......Skirting the issue are we ...anytime chief, i have all day.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Well I'm sticking to the facts unlike you who is now using personal attacks. So who's the tool now?

It's still you.

Your facts are self-serving and your claims are preposterous. While I would agree that Hezbollah is guilty of initiating this conflict, I can't imagine anyone with any intelligence would consider Israel blameless in the escalation that has occured.

It's sad that you consider the "left"'s view of non-democratic nations right to self-determination as some sort of hatred towards democracy. It seems the concept and spirit of democracy has escaped you and been replaced by a dogmatic belief that the West is right and should dictate to the rest of the world how they are to behave.

To get back on topic I hope that there is an intervention in the conflict by the Security Council so a political solution can be reached. I doubt very much that will happen, so I guess I'm stuck hoping for 'cooler heads to prevail'.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

To get back on topic I hope that there is an intervention in the conflict by the Security Council so a political solution can be reached. I doubt very much that will happen, so I guess I'm stuck hoping for 'cooler heads to prevail'.

I hope for the same. But I believe in the end.."bigger guns will prevail" as per the status quo.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

I am waiting for the facts about your "truths"......Skirting the issue are we ...anytime chief, i have all day.

I'm waiting for you to respond to CC's post. Seems to me when someone starts arguing facts, you run away.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

I hope for the same. But I believe in the end.."bigger guns will prevail" as per the status quo.

In the end the terrorist organizations and the governments that support them will be wiped out.

Too bad your pathetic, one sided, hate Israel attitude won't get you farther then the crappy, one dimensional life you live,

Good luck with seeing one side of everything. You and your kind make me sick. Hell, even Lanny can acknowledge that the terrorist organizations need to be taken out, and me and him diagree just about 100% of foreign policy.

[Azure]

Trying to defuse the crisis, Lebanon's prime minister indicated he might send his army to take control of southern Lebanon from Hezbollah _ a move that might risk civil war. In a more ominous sign that the struggle could spread, Israel accused Iran of helping fire a missile that damaged an Israeli warship, a charge denied by Iran.

Finally we get an inkling of good news out of the ordeal.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/15/D8ISMG7G7.html

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

To get back on topic I hope that there is an intervention in the conflict by the Security Council so a political solution can be reached. I doubt very much that will happen, so I guess I'm stuck hoping for 'cooler heads to prevail'.

Its unlikely that the UN has the strength to enforce any kind of political solution, and its even more unlikely that Israel will accept anything that dosen't include the return of the two soldiers without the exchange of released prisoners, and some kind of UN solution that eliminates the Hezbollah from southern Lebanon, or a UN enforce buffer zone larger then 25 miles from the Israel border.

The UN can pass mandates in this case, but Israel's need for proven security makes them unenforcible.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Azure

Finally we get an inkling of good news out of the ordeal.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/15/D8ISMG7G7.html

I'm not sure that its a strong enough solution for what Israel wants. Unless it see's true results Israel will continue to push for a buffer zone that can be patrolled by thier own airforce and army with the ability to smash the Hezbollah where it stands.

If Lebanon was smart it would allow Israel to participate in the destruction of the Hezbollah, with Lebanon nominally in charge of the task force. If Palestine was smart they would purge and arrest the more radical elements of the Hamas militia and demand that the outlaw groups turn in thier weapons and register. Syria also needs to take steps.

Israel is seeing red right now, and i think they've decided that its all or nothing for thier security concerns, and the return of the hostages.

[Nehkara]

While I hate what Israel is doing I cannot deny that it needs to be done. Hezbollah has gone on far too long pretending it is a politcal party while carrying out terrorist attacks. The same goes for Hamas. This needs to end now and Israel is capable of ending it.

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm not sure that its a strong enough solution for what Israel wants. Unless it see's true results Israel will continue to push for a buffer zone that can be patrolled by thier own airforce and army with the ability to smash the Hezbollah where it stands.

If Lebanon was smart it would allow Israel to participate in the destruction of the Hezbollah, with Lebanon nominally in charge of the task force. If Palestine was smart they would purge and arrest the more radical elements of the Hamas militia and demand that the outlaw groups turn in thier weapons and register. Syria also needs to take steps.

Israel is seeing red right now, and i think they've decided that its all or nothing for thier security concerns, and the return of the hostages.

The problem is that now that Hamas was voted in, the chances of this happening are almost nil and that's why Israel has taken such a hard line in Gaza.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Nehkara

While I hate what Israel is doing I cannot deny that it needs to be done. Hezbollah has gone on far too long pretending it is a politcal party while carrying out terrorist attacks. The same goes for Hamas. This needs to end now and Israel is capable of ending it.

My thoughts exactly. I read the news daily and cringe when I think of the innocent civilians that are being put through hell because of this ordeal.

But you're exactly right, it needs to be dealt with now.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Azure

In the end the terrorist organizations and the governments that support them will be wiped out.

Too bad your pathetic, one sided, hate Israel attitude won't get you farther then the crappy, one dimensional life you live,

Good luck with seeing one side of everything. You and your kind make me sick. Hell, even Lanny can acknowledge that the terrorist organizations need to be taken out, and me and him diagree just about 100% of foreign policy.

Jesus, are you 10 years old?

I cant believe they let you post here with spiteful comments like that.

I made one comment saying I hope inncocent people stop dying at the hands of Isreal and from that, you give me back this

"Too bad your pathetic, one sided, hate Israel attitude won't get you farther then the crappy, one dimensional life you live,
Good luck with seeing one side of everything. You and your kind make me sick."

Grow up pal.

I agree with CC and most of his post, in fact, for the most part I agree with most of Isreal's policies and dealings with their middle eastern neighbours. I dont like however, how hastily and drastically they have come at Lebanon....but thats my oppinion, I think i am entitled to that.

Dont tell me I "run away" i dont know you, and dont believe we have ever gone back and forth on this board, please try and be respectful of others, dont do on the internet message board what you wouldnt do in everyday life.

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by Azure

My thoughts exactly. I read the news daily and cringe when I think of the innocent civilians that are being put through hell because of this ordeal.

But you're exactly right, it needs to be dealt with now.

In the words of Jean-Luc Picard: "The line must be drawn HERE! This far, no further!"

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Nehkara

The problem is that now that Hamas was voted in, the chances of this happening are almost nil and that's why Israel has taken such a hard line in Gaza.

Gotcha, however if Hamas wants to be seen as a legitimate government and political party, it has to control its more unruly elements, and join the rest of the world. The minute that the soldier was kidnapped, the minute that a rocket was launched, and the minute that one of thier nuts blew themselves up, it became a legal act of war between two nation states, and not an act of terrorism.

Hamas is bringing about the destruction of thier own nation, and it becomes more clear every day that they really don't care. It dosen't matter that these are the militant arm of Hamas, the government had every chance to bring them to heel, and they winked at it and did nothing.

From a legal standpoint, if you look at it from the purest sense, Isreal is in its own right to do what its doing right now. Its been attacked by terrorists who are part of the legitimate governments of nation states. (Hamas as the rulers of Palestine. Hezbollah participating in the government of Lebanon. Even if the UN wanted to do something, it would look hypocritical if it didn't favor Israel and its security needs. Instead of simply condemning them.

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