Racism at Calgary Bars?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Like I said earlier..until I see a news report proving that you and your white buddies get put through the exact same BS at the doors that I do time and time again, I'm gonna continue to look at it as a racial issue. And its not 'cause I want to be the victim minority, I agree that a lot of minorities are way to quick to pull out the race card. But in this situation, it is what it is.

Actually I think it's because when white people claim racism nobody takes it seriously.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Actually I think it's because when white people claim racism nobody takes it seriously.

Well, if you're talking about white people not getting into nightclubs, you're right, i'm probably not going to take it seriously. But I don't deny that there is reverse racism out there. But definitely not to the extent that coloured people face it. You guys are still the majority, by far. You really have no idea what we're up against sometimes.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by snappyk

It happens in every city not just this one. Calgary is a great city to live in, sure we have problems but what city doesn't. You are going to make a statement like that because of people not being allowed into bars because some owners have problems with ethnic people? I am proud to be a Calgarian, sure there are racist people out there, deal with it, I really don't think that it will ever go away and that is sad

Sure every city has problems, but when it comes to racism within the nightlife perspective, Calgary is by far the worst. It may never go away, your right, but for some odd reason, it is tolerated more here than anywhere else. Which is sad in itself. As long as there are people out there that continue to say things like "deal with it", this city will continue to be viewed in a negative light when it comes to racist views.

There are some of you out there that dont care to head to the clubs, but unfortunately there are those out there that want to party in a club like atmosphere, and not a pub. I can handle being in a club, lounge or pub, but some others may like the club atmosphere. Sure there are morons in the club, wanna bees, etc, but there are those that like to dance, drink, etc. Clubs are the only venues that allow such to occur.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Well, if you're talking about white people not getting into nightclubs, you're right, i'm probably not going to take it seriously. But I don't deny that there is reverse racism out there. But definitely not to the extent that coloured people face it. You guys are still the majority, by far. You really have no idea what we're up against sometimes.

All I'm saying is I can't really go to a TV station and say "I want you to d a news story on the racism white people face at nightclubs." I'd get laughed out of the building.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Like I said earlier..until I see a news report proving that you and your white buddies get put through the exact same BS at the doors that I do time and time again, I'm gonna continue to look at it as a racial issue.

While I do agree with what you are saying, it really isn't a fair expectation. It would be like me saying "Until I see a news report proving the Saddledome draft is stronger than normal draft I'm not going to believe it."

The news story isn't proof; unless is was 8 hours long and showed every single person trying to get in.

I say the same thing when I watch Leno's "Jaywalking" or Rick Mercer's "Talking to Americans." How many people got the answers right; or at least gave intelligent answers (like identifying Canada's PM as Paul Martin) before they found 3 minutes worth of idiots. The news shows perhaps 4 different groups not getting in, but how many did they indeed let in?

Once again, I don't doubt that there is racism in play to a certain extent. But let's not automatically assume what was on Global as having all the facts, or the non-existance of a news report proving that something doesn't exist.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Once again, I don't doubt that there is racism in play to a certain extent. But let's not automatically assume what was on Global as having all the facts, or the non-existance of a news report proving that something doesn't exist.

I've dealt with Globabl before and I can tell you that they don't make a particularly strong effort to get both sides of the story.

[burn_baby_burn]

I have been in and witnessed plenty of fights in many bars over the years. Most if not all, featured white people exclusivly.

[jolinar of malkshor]

It's easy to tell these people to just take your business elsewhere but it's not right and nobody likes being discriminated against. I have had a problem similar to this but not to do with race but association. My brother was not a permitted entry into a bar as he and the head bouncer, shall we say, did not see eye to eye. Although I never had any problems with the bar or the bouncer he would not let me in. I had to go all the way to the owner of the hotel/bar and pretty much threaten court action of this continued. Need less to say the decided it would be in their best intrest to let me in. Now I never went back to the place but I jsut didnt like knowing the fact that some place in town wouldn't let me into their establishment because of who I was related to. It ****ed me off.

[rubecube]

You know what? On second thought I think I have witnessed some racism at the bars. When my buddy turned 18 we went to the pub and got him a bit liquored up. Then he decided he wanted to go to the Maid. When we got there all of us were pretty hammered and he didn't say a word, just calmly handed the bouncer his ID. The bouncer let the rest of us in but told this guy he was too drunk. My friend has a bit of native in him and has darker skin so that might have been why.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by ken0042

While I do agree with what you are saying, it really isn't a fair expectation. It would be like me saying "Until I see a news report proving the Saddledome draft is stronger than normal draft I'm not going to believe it."

The news story isn't proof; unless is was 8 hours long and showed every single person trying to get in.

I say the same thing when I watch Leno's "Jaywalking" or Rick Mercer's "Talking to Americans." How many people got the answers right; or at least gave intelligent answers (like identifying Canada's PM as Paul Martin) before they found 3 minutes worth of idiots. The news shows perhaps 4 different groups not getting in, but how many did they indeed let in?

Once again, I don't doubt that there is racism in play to a certain extent. But let's not automatically assume what was on Global as having all the facts, or the non-existance of a news report proving that something doesn't exist.

the news story isn't proof? How about the fact that it was a follow up to the same story a year ago? how about you come out for a few weeks with me and some of my friends..My personal experience is proof enough for me..this has been going on for years..all the news did was show whats going on to those who were unaware. I really don't understand why people want to sugar coat this issue.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You know what? On second thought I think I have witnessed some racism at the bars. When my buddy turned 18 we went to the pub and got him a bit liquored up. Then he decided he wanted to go to the Maid. When we got there all of us were pretty hammered and he didn't say a word, just calmly handed the bouncer his ID. The bouncer let the rest of us in but told this guy he was too drunk. My friend has a bit of native in him and has darker skin so that might have been why.

Or maybe it was because he was completely blasted

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Or maybe it was because he was completely blasted

It might've been, but like I said he was no worse than anyone else in the group.

[stuckinchuck]

Originally Posted by Igottago

the news story isn't proof? How about the fact that it was a follow up to the same story a year ago? how about you come out for a few weeks with me and some of my friends..My personal experience is proof enough for me..this has been going on for years..all the news did was show whats going on to those who were unaware. I really don't understand why people want to sugar coat this issue.

You know, it's strange. As a minority myself, I can honestly say that my white friends have had more trouble getting into places than I have. They get reasons like, your pants are too baggy, and the typical responses. Only difference is they don't blame it on race, they just realize some bouncers are pricks and refuse your entry because they don't like the look of you, regardless of race.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Igottago

the news story isn't proof? How about the fact that it was a follow up to the same story a year ago? how about you come out for a few weeks with me and some of my friends..My personal experience is proof enough for me..this has been going on for years..all the news did was show whats going on to those who were unaware. I really don't understand why people want to sugar coat this issue.

BS, like I said before I'm white and I have the same freaking problem. I have only been into Tantra once and that was because I was on the guest list because my buddy was throwing a private function there. Every single other time I have tried to get in that place I have been denied.

Let's face the facts about this news report. It took two individuals around the city that were under the age of 25 years old and tried to get them into 25+ exclusive clubs, wearing non-dress code clothes. Give me a damn break. It's not about race, it's about these exclusive downtown night clubs catering to clientele over the age of 25 because they know that typically these people have more cash. You want to dress baggy and wear sneakers than head to the back alley.

Notice how the report didn't go to a single club on first street? They only seemed to hit the age restricted clubs. Seems like the conditions were a little too perfect for that Jill Cameltoe to try for another news award.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

You want to dress baggy and wear sneakers than head to the back alley.

I love the crack alley. Good times.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

BS, like I said before I'm white and I have the same freaking problem. I have only been into Tantra once and that was because I was on the guest list because my buddy was throwing a private function there. Every single other time I have tried to get in that place I have been denied.

Let's face the facts about this news report. It took two individuals around the city that were under the age of 25 years old and tried to get them into 25+ exclusive clubs, wearing non-dress code clothes. Give me a damn break. It's not about race, it's about these exclusive downtown night clubs catering to clientele over the age of 25 because they know that typically these people have more cash. You want to dress baggy and wear sneakers than head to the back alley.

Notice how the report didn't go to a single club on first street? They only seemed to hit the age restricted clubs. Seems like the conditions were a little too perfect for that Jill Cameltoe to try for another news award.

I agree with you in principle but the fact still remains that the rules were not applied evenly for everyone. The news report did show that some people getting in and they were under 25.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

BS, like I said before I'm white and I have the same freaking problem. I have only been into Tantra once and that was because I was on the guest list because my buddy was throwing a private function there. Every single other time I have tried to get in that place I have been denied.

Let's face the facts about this news report. It took two individuals around the city that were under the age of 25 years old and tried to get them into 25+ exclusive clubs, wearing non-dress code clothes. Give me a damn break. It's not about race, it's about these exclusive downtown night clubs catering to clientele over the age of 25 because they know that typically these people have more cash. You want to dress baggy and wear sneakers than head to the back alley.

Notice how the report didn't go to a single club on first street? They only seemed to hit the age restricted clubs. Seems like the conditions were a little too perfect for that Jill Cameltoe to try for another news award.

So what about when I go, dressed up, no baggy pants or sneakers, and still have the same issues. Consistently. And you forgot to watch the part of the news where they did let in the white people who were under 25. The rules weren't consistent to everyone who was trying to access the club.

But its okay, if you want to bury your head in the sand, go right ahead.

[Neeper]

I've been denied at so many clubs it's not even funny. And how many bar fights have I been in?? ZERO. ##### the bars, ##### the owners. They will never get my money ever again. The only way this is going to stop is someone throws them a lawsuit. It's bull****.

[habernac]

and for you folks you need a little laugh, the lighter side of the issue...

http://www.break.com/index/discrimination.html

[snappyk]

I like Juliets Castle, it isn't a bar really, it's a pub, if you go there on the right night it's just like being at dinner theater, lots of entertainment. The crowd in there is diverse