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[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Your foolish to think that this is just about "getting out of Afghanistan".
Canada has been a target for terrorism long before Afghanistan, we have been luck not to have been attack before.

Maybe Canada was a minor target before, but mostly Canada has just been used as a base of operations.

Nov. 2002 audiotape.
"Osama Bin Ladin, where Canda along with five other western nations is specifically threatened because of it's involvement in Afghanistan."

http://jamestown.org/terrorism/news/...icleid=2369744

and I am not foolish. Bring something to the table that has some logic.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Your foolish to think that this is just about "getting out of Afghanistan".
Canada has been a target for terrorism long before Afghanistan, we have been luck not to have been attack before.

Are you going to back that up with anything? How has Canada been the target of terrorists (save the FLQ)?

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Nov. 2002 audiotape.
"Osama Bin Ladin, where Canda along with five other western nations is specifically threatened because of it's involvement in Afghanistan."

I just love the irony here.

The only reason why Canada (and five other western nations) is involved in Afghanistan is due to Bin Laden and his attack on the US.

OOPS!

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Naaaaah! We all mis-read things from time-to-time. I'm not sure how you got what you did out of it, but hey, it was a mistake.

It was a grammer mistake on my part. I read it the wrong way.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Are you going to back that up with anything? How has Canada been the target of terrorists (save the FLQ)?

Read a few of these, maybe you will change your mind. I doubt it however, as you think the radical christians are the most serious offenders.

http://www.lifesafety.ca/documents/ls0009.htm

http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/en/priorities/terrorism.asp

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...tc/canada.html


Now yes a lot of these comments are made well after the invasion of Afghanistan, but it took the 9/11 attacks to bring this out into the public eye.

[Reggie Dunlop]

I sleep well at night knowing Stockwell Day is on top of all this.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Read a few of these, maybe you will change your mind. I doubt it however, as you think the radical christians are the most serious offenders.

http://www.lifesafety.ca/documents/ls0009.htm

http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/en/priorities/terrorism.asp

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...tc/canada.html


Now yes a lot of these comments are made well after the invasion of Afghanistan, but it took the 9/11 attacks to bring this out into the public eye.

ALL of that stuff took place post-911. The vast majority of it took place after the fact of Canada's involvement in Afghanistan. If what you were saying was true, and Canada was a target, and had been a target for some time, there would have been a paper trail like there was for the American attacks. But that isn't the case. Good lord, one of your OWN articles states it in the body.

While some Canadians have been victims of large-scale terrorist attacks—most notably in the 1985 bombing of an Air India flight from Toronto and the 2001 destruction of New York’s twin towers—Canada, as a country, has not often been targeted specifically for attack.

The Air India attack was a direct conflict between Sikhs and Indians, not directed at Canadians (or the people you would call Canadians anyways). Your comment was;

Canada has been a target for terrorism long before Afghanistan, we have been luck not to have been attack before.

You can't back that up with anything. Nice try. A BIG swing and a miss!!!

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Read a few of these, maybe you will change your mind. I doubt it however, as you think the radical christians are the most serious offenders.

http://www.lifesafety.ca/documents/ls0009.htm

http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/en/priorities/terrorism.asp

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...tc/canada.html


Now yes a lot of these comments are made well after the invasion of Afghanistan, but it took the 9/11 attacks to bring this out into the public eye.

Hey, nobody is disputing that we have a serious problem with Islamist terrorists. All of the comments you list were made after the invasion of Afghanistan. You don't see a tie-in?

Before 9/11 Islamists in Canada seemed to be only concerned, other than attacking Jewish Canadians, with foreign problems.

'They hate us for our freedom' that Harper alluded to in his speech is a diversion from the real reason why we are now a prime target for El Queda.

I'm not endorsing getting out of Afghanistan, but lets call a spade a spade.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I'm not endorsing getting out of Afghanistan, but lets call a spade a spade.

Why not? By getting out we would fix the problem, right?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Azure

Why not? By getting out we would fix the problem, right?

No, we only encourage a wannabe bully to pull even worse atrocities. We've drawn a line in the Afghanistan sand and we better be able to back it up. I hope the Afghani's appreciate it.

[Vulcan]

Before people jump all over me, as I've been denigrating the war in Iraq, I consider the wars two different animals and the only relationship, other than geography and a common religion, is in George Bush's fantasies.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Azure

Why not? By getting out we would fix the problem, right?

It'll be very interesting to see how this affects public opinion in regards to the Canadian presence there. Will it anger Canadians and cause firm support for a presence in Afghanistan, or will it cause Canadians to feel that they are getting deeply involved in a war they don't belong in? I wouldn't anticipate Canadians to rally around military action in the same way Americans have; the most likely result is simply greater polarization on the issue.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

No, we only encourage a wannabe bully to pull even worse atrocities. We've drawn a line in the Afghanistan sand and we better be able to back it up. I hope the Afghani's appreciate it.

According to you the source of danger against Canadian civilians is our presense in Afghanistan. In order to properly eliminate that danger(we care more about Canadians, right?) we should pull out of Afghanistan to stop future threats on Canadian soil.

If you don't think like that, edit your posts.

[Antithesis]

To me, the scariest part of this entire thing is how young the people involved in this were. Kids/people are so impressionable (and aggressive) at that age. I wonder how much these young people actually believed in their cause and how much of it was getting caught up in things and then getting too deep.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Azure

According to you the source of danger against Canadian civilians is our presense in Afghanistan. In order to properly eliminate that danger(we care more about Canadians, right?) we should pull out of Afghanistan to stop future threats on Canadian soil.

If you don't think like that, edit your posts.

Going into Afghanistan made us a target. It's too late to pull out. Pulling out of Afghanistan would be short sighted. We might get some temporary relief but it would only encourage the El Queda and I certainly don't trust them.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Going into Afghanistan made us a target. It's too late to pull out. Pulling out of Afghanistan would be short sighted. We might get some temporary relief but it would only encourage the El Queda and I certainly don't trust them.

But I thought our main focus in this debate should be the safety of Canadians. Being in Afghanistan is, according to you, making us a target for terror attacks.

Surely the solution would be to pull out.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Azure

Surely the solution would be to pull out.

Only if I don't have any rubbers.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Azure

But I thought our main focus in this debate should be the safety of Canadians. Being in Afghanistan is, according to you, making us a target for terror attacks.

Surely the solution would be to pull out.

I disagree with you, pulling out at this point, and basically admitting defeat both internationally and domestically would make us look weak and could have the effect of making us an even bigger target.

At this point the only thing that we should be doing is trying to stabilize Afghanistan, push on education, clean water and more self reliance in that company to show moderate Muslims everywhere that there are better alternatives then listening to some extremist bull**** from some Iman with a message of violence that has not plans on how to feed thier families or project to a better lifestyle in terms of shelter, food and health.

Pulling out of Afghanistan before the job is done would be a huge mistake. It would show the nations of the world that need our help that we are unrealiable under any kind of pressure, and our international reputation would be ****, combine that with the fact that to the terrorist world, Canada would buckle under any kind of pressure.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I disagree with you, pulling out at this point, and basically admitting defeat both internationally and domestically would make us look weak and could have the effect of making us an even bigger target.

At this point the only thing that we should be doing is trying to stabilize Afghanistan, push on education, clean water and more self reliance in that company to show moderate Muslims everywhere that there are better alternatives then listening to some extremist bull**** from some Iman with a message of violence that has not plans on how to feed thier families or project to a better lifestyle in terms of shelter, food and health.

Pulling out of Afghanistan before the job is done would be a huge mistake. It would show the nations of the world that need our help that we are unrealiable under any kind of pressure, and our international reputation would be ****, combine that with the fact that to the terrorist world, Canada would buckle under any kind of pressure.

I was being sarcastic CC. Pointing out the foolishness of Vulcan's post. Seems to me that some people can't see the idea of sacrifice in order to obtain freedom. They would much rather blame our actions for what happens to us.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Azure

I was being sarcastic CC. Pointing out the foolishness of Vulcan's post. Seems to me that some people can't see the idea of sacrifice in order to obtain freedom. They would much rather blame our actions for what happens to us.

I think you have a basic problem grasping this subject. I've said much the same and agree with what Captain Crunch just posted.

To deny that our entry into Afghanistan hasn't increased our chances of being a target by the El Queda is more than foolishness. Of course the El Queda brought this on themselves by bombing the USA.

The part about sacrifice doesn't deserve an answer. You don't know me.