Yes folks...the conspiracy theorists have turned on each other!!!!

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You clearly don't see Lanny's point. He's saying that some of the policies Bush has implemented are similar. I could say that the Liberals implementation of the gun registry is comparable to Hitler's and I would be right. However, that's still far different than saying Chretien/Paul Martin=Hitler.

No, you're not getting it. Lanny, through his hatred of Bush, is trying to paint Bush and Hitler with the same moral equivelency brush.

The gun registry was scary because of what it could result in, in the future, not because Chretiens' intent was the same as Hitler.

Quite a difference there me thinks.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by White Doors

No, you're not getting it. Lanny, through his hatred of Bush, is trying to paint Bush and Hitler with the same moral equivelency brush.

The gun registry was scary because of what it could result in, in the future, not because Chretiens' intent was the same as Hitler.

Quite a difference there me thinks.

I never said that Chretien's intent was the same as Hitler's. I said the policy is similar. Policy and intent can be vastly different. I think that's the point.

Originally Posted by Lanny McDonald

"Hitler light. The parallels between them and their methods are striking. Consider..."

Methods and intent can be different too. For instance...mainstream Christians use the teachings of the bible as a method, with the intent of inspiring others to lead fulfilling lives. Radical Christians use the teachings of the bible as a method, with the intent of inspiring hate and discrimination.

[White Doors]

He called Bush 'Hitler light'
You think that's accurate?

My god.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by White Doors

He called Bush 'Hitler light'
You think that's accurate?

My god.

No I don't think it's accurate. However, people do tend to use a bit of hyperbole when it comes to politics.

EDIT: And on another note you seem to have a very bad habit of jumping to conclusions about people before getting the whole story.

[White Doors]

EDIT: And on another note you seem to have a very bad habit of jumping to conclusions about people before getting the whole story.

perhaps, but not when it comes to my friend Lanny.

[Vulcan]

I don't think that Bush is quite Hitler light but he has opened the doors for someone like Hitler to step in. I'm not sure of Bush's motives, but how he has grabbed power and manipulated the press and the public makes me very wary.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I don't think that Bush is quite Hitler light but he has opened the doors for someone like Hitler to step in. I'm not sure of Bush's motives, but how he has grabbed power and manipulated the press and the public makes me very wary.

How the hell has he manipulated the public? My God you people are stupid.

The press? Get a frickin' clue. Everyone still has the freedom to say, think and do what they want, as long as it is within the law. The press has every-right to report exactly what they want, and they are.

If it so happens that Bush gets more votes then Kerry, which he did, how is that manipulating the public? How is that controlling them? Hell, the support for Bush has gone done drastically lately, is he still "manipulating" the public?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Azure

How the hell has he manipulated the public? My God you people are stupid.

Thanks Bill O'Reilly.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Thanks Bill O'Reilly.

Now, let's be fair. O'Reilly would have called us "pinheads."

[Azure]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Thanks Bill O'Reilly.

Are you going to prove me wrong, or just make random comments of certain broadcasters that are very opinionated?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Azure

Are you going to prove me wrong, or just make random comments of certain broadcasters that are very opinionated?

You've been proven wrong so many times in these threads that it would be just rehashing the obvious. You are a perfect example of the manipulated and don't have the awareness to see it.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You've been proven wrong so many times in these threads that it would be just rehashing the obvious. You are a perfect example of the manipulated and don't have the awareness to see it.

So whenever someone believes in something, has optimism that something will go right, they have been manipulated? Does that mean you have been manipulated to think Bush has manipulated me?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

How the hell has he manipulated the public? My God you people are stupid.

Ooh, that's a good start.

The guy is a politician -- it's his job to manipulate the public. They all do it all the time.

They scared up an awful lot of people into believing Iraq was bursting at the seams with WMD and was an imminent threat to the entire world. Wouldn't you say that was manipulation?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Ooh, that's a good start.

The guy is a politician -- it's his job to manipulate the public. They all do it all the time.

They scared up an awful lot of people into believing Iraq was bursting at the seams with WMD and was an imminent threat to the entire world. Wouldn't you say that was manipulation?

So why is it such a bad thing? Clinton manipulated the public for 8 years too. Especially when he publicaly said that Iraq had WMD.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I don't think that Bush is quite Hitler light but he has opened the doors for someone like Hitler to step in. I'm not sure of Bush's motives, but how he has grabbed power and manipulated the press and the public makes me very wary.

Wary is fine, spouting off and saying that Bush is 'Hitler light', is unintelligent, ignorant, arrogant and insulting in the extreme.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Azure

So why is it such a bad thing? Clinton manipulated the public for 8 years too. Especially when he publicaly said that Iraq had WMD.

To me their is a big difference about lying about what goes on with someone's sex life and lying about going to war.

As for Clinton saying that Iraq had WMD it makes a huge difference of when he said it. At the time Clinton was in power Saddam may indeed have had WMD. When he left office he only had the information available that Bush gave him. As usual you cherry pick your facts and your arguments are full of holes

[White Doors]

As for Clinton saying that Iraq had WMD it makes a huge difference of when he said it. At the time Clinton was in power Saddam may indeed have had WMD. When he left office he only had the information available that Bush gave him. As usual you cherry pick your facts and your arguments are full of holes

Then why didn't Saddam allow unfettered access for the inspectors?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Then why didn't Saddam allow unfettered access for the inspectors?

Because it suited his political purposes to have his near enemies think that he had WMD and he never believed that the USA would actually attack. Big mistake.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

So why is it such a bad thing? Clinton manipulated the public for 8 years too. Especially when he publicaly said that Iraq had WMD.

Why is manipulating the public into backing a war based on false pretenses a bad thing? Do you really need me to answer that question?

And who cares what Bill Clinton had to say on the matter?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

To me their is a big difference about lying about what goes on with someone's sex life and lying about going to war.

As for Clinton saying that Iraq had WMD it makes a huge difference of when he said it. At the time Clinton was in power Saddam may indeed have had WMD. When he left office he only had the information available that Bush gave him. As usual you cherry pick your facts and your arguments are full of holes

Did you just say Saddam had WMD? I thought the inspectors said they were destroyed.

Nice of you to blame Bush, again, for what Clinton said. Wow.