"Boycott Da Vinci Code film" - Vatican

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by peter12

Of course not. That is why I was offering my own personal judgement and not a critique of other people who enjoyed it.

Hey I read entertaining crap too. I just found that the reputation of the book certainly did not live up to itself.

I hear ya...

Just out of curiousity, what 'reputation' did you think the book had? It was pretty clearly an item you'd find on the shelves of a Mac's store... I'd assume any work that is popular among the multitudes is not going to pass mustard w/ the literary elites.

So... stop reading trashy novels if you don't like reading trashy novels

edit: btw, any good fiction books you'd recommend that blow the Code away? I'm sure there are many... and I'd like to read them!

[RedMan12]

I believe there is proof Jesus the man was a real person, but there is no proof Jesus the son of god exists.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

So... stop reading trashy novels if you don't like reading trashy novels

I don't want to speak for peter--but personally, I love reading trashy novels. I just didn't like this one. I found it boring and predictable, and not very well written.

I don't spend ALL my time reading Melville and Hawthorne, you know!

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I hear ya...

Just out of curiousity, what 'reputation' did you think the book had? It was pretty clearly an item you'd find on the shelves of a Mac's store... I'd assume any work that is popular among the multitudes is not going to pass mustard w/ the literary elites.

So... stop reading trashy novels if you don't like reading trashy novels

edit: btw, any good fiction books you'd recommend that blow the Code away? I'm sure there are many... and I'd like to read them!

Hey by no means am I any sort of literary elite. I am just an occasionally bookie university student.

Well on one level the book had a reputation as an incredible thriller and as a sort of mind expanding conspiracy theory book. I thought it failed miserably on both counts.

Good fiction? I read anything by Bernard Cornwell, all of it is historical fiction. He does some cool time periods, focussing on the viewpoint of a single character in those time periods. He is currently writing a series takign place in Anglo-Saxon England, around Alfred the Great.

He is most famous for his "Sharpe" series. Good Stuff.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by peter12

Hey by no means am I any sort of literary elite. I am just an occasionally bookie university student.

Well on one level the book had a reputation as an incredible thriller and as a sort of mind expanding conspiracy theory book. I thought it failed miserably on both counts.

Good fiction? I read anything by Bernard Cornwell, all of it is historical fiction. He does some cool time periods, focussing on the viewpoint of a single character in those time periods. He is currently writing a series takign place in Anglo-Saxon England, around Alfred the Great.

He is most famous for his "Sharpe" series. Good Stuff.

Historical-fiction? I like! I'll 'acquire' some of his books and give them a gander, thanks.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by RedMan12

I believe there is proof Jesus the man was a real person, but there is no proof Jesus the son of god exists.

What kind of proof are we talking about? I'd be glad to be proven wrong, but I think it's pretty hard to prove the existence of anybody from 2000 years ago.

Heck, you should see literary scholars trying to prove that William Shakespeare was this or that person. The records just aren't that good--and that's only 400 or so years.

[Crazy Flamer]

Originally Posted by RedMan12

I believe there is proof Jesus the man was a real person, but there is no proof Jesus the son of god exists.

Now THAT would be impossible to prove! There is however, much evidence to disprove some of the claims made dy Dan Brown in his book. Is it irrefutable evidence? Of course not. None exists to support either side of the arguement. Even the Catholic Church doesn't completely and flat out deny that Jesus wasn't married. However, the majority of the evidence available suggests he wasn't.

But telling people to boycott the book??!!! I was raised Catholic, but nothing ****es me off more than this type of arrogance. First of all, its a book of fiction!!! What's wrong with someone having creative thought? Maybe if we eliminate the "bad" types of creative thought, we can be left with only good, pure, wholesome literature. Oh wait... If you take away one type of thought, you basically take away all types of thought... You can't pick and choose.

So as far as I'm concerned, representatives of the Catholic Church who tell people to boycot this movie need a foot in their ass to shut them up.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Crazy Flamer

Even the Catholic Church doesn't completely and flat out deny that Jesus wasn't married. However, the majority of the evidence available suggests he wasn't.

I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church denies that Jesus was married. Flat out. At least, thats what I recall from my decade and a half of semi-intense Catholocism.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church denies that Jesus was married. Flat out. At least, thats what I recall from my decade and a half of semi-intense Catholocism.

And why shouldn't they? As far as I'm concerned, the arguement that Jesus was married was made up by come nutjob trying to bring down the reputation of Jesus Christ, known to Christians as the Son of God.

Would you appreciate if people made up crap about what you believed in?

And don't ask me to prove it either, because the proof exists around faith, something that you use everyday, but still deny.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Azure

And why shouldn't they? As far as I'm concerned, the arguement that Jesus was married was made up by come nutjob trying to bring down the reputation of Jesus Christ, known to Christians as the Son of God.

Why would they do that? If they wanted to ruin his reputation, why not just claim he didn't exist?

Also, why is being married such a terrible thing? If he was married, that somehow wrecks Christianity? I don't get that. I'm not saying I think any of it is true--as you say, there's no evidence either way, so it's a question of what you choose to believe. But given that, why not just continue to choose to believe what you want, regardless of what some "nutjob" says?

This seems like a bit of a storm in a teacup, to be honest.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Azure

And why shouldn't they? As far as I'm concerned, the arguement that Jesus was married was made up by come nutjob trying to bring down the reputation of Jesus Christ, known to Christians as the Son of God.

Would you appreciate if people made up crap about what you believed in?

And don't ask me to prove it either, because the proof exists around faith, something that you use everyday, but still deny.

Yes because the goal of agnostics and atheists is to prove that Jesus was a fraud and a criminal.

[Azure]

Why would they do that? If they wanted to ruin his reputation, why not just claim he didn't exist?

Some people tried to do that, until now. Seems like saying he is married is a better reputation ruiner.

Also, why is being married such a terrible thing? If he was married, that somehow wrecks Christianity? I don't get that. I'm not saying I think any of it is true--as you say, there's no evidence either way, so it's a question of what you choose to believe. But given that, why not just continue to choose to believe what you want, regardless of what some "nutjob" says?

I'm not an expert on this subject and by no means do I want to get into a religious article, but, according to the Bible, Jesus loved everyone equally. To have married someone would mean he loved her more then he loved those around him. Therefore, people get riled up when someone talks about Jesus being married.

And don't flame me, I'm just the messenger.

This seems like a bit of a storm in a teacup, to be honest.

Yes I am quite ****ed off at how far people will go to try and bring down another's belief.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yes because the goal of agnostics and atheists is to prove that Jesus was a fraud and a criminal.

By saying he never existed; but they just stuck their foot in their own mouth by saying he was married.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Azure

Some people tried to do that, until now. Seems like saying he is married is a better reputation ruiner.

Plenty of people have been willing to admit that Jesus existed but that he wasn't the son of God or contained mystical powers.

I'm not an expert on this subject and by no means do I want to get into a religious article, but, according to the Bible, Jesus loved everyone equally. To have married someone would mean he loved her more then he loved those around him. Therefore, people get riled up when someone talks about Jesus being married.

And don't flame me, I'm just the messenger.

And therein lies the problem of taking the bible literally. The bible preaches a lot of good values but if everything is taken literally some of the stuff is actually very harmful/hateful.

Yes I am quite ****ed off at how far people will go to try and bring down another's belief.

This goes both and every which way.

[Azure]

Plenty of people have been willing to admit that Jesus existed but that he wasn't the son of God or contained mystical powers.

Well I did see Cowperson asking for "proof" that Jesus did exist, so I assume most people that aren't Christian don't believe he did.

And therein lies the problem of taking the bible literally. The bible preaches a lot of good values but if everything is taken literally some of the stuff is actually very harmful/hateful.

Just like any other religion. I completely agree with you there, as there are major, major examples of what you just said throughout the world.

Look up Fred Phelps if you're interested.

This goes both and every which way.

It sure does. ****es me off to no extent too.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Azure

Look up Fred Phelps if you're interested.

Yeah, I saw that guy on the Daily Show last night. Sick piece of work that's for sure. Picketing soldier's funerals...what a class act. It's these kinds of people (Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson too) that really turn people off of Christianity.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah, I saw that guy on the Daily Show last night. Sick piece of work that's for sure. Picketing soldier's funerals...what a class act. It's these kinds of people (Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson too) that really turn people off of Christianity.

No kidding. Absolutely sick man IMO.

[troutman]

Da Vinci Code is getting savaged by the critics (only a 17% rating at Rotton Tomatoes, making it one of the worst movies of the year):

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/da_vinci_code/

50 at metacritic:

http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/davincicode

38
The Globe and Mail (Toronto) Rick Groen
Like a two-bit philosopher working the wrong side of the stone, Howard has managed to turn gold into lead.

25
Rolling Stone Peter Travers
There's no code to decipher. Da Vinci is a dud -- a dreary, droning, dull-witted adaptation of Dan Brown's religioso detective story.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Well I just saw the movie. I am not Christian so I can not comment on the religious stuff, but from an entertainment perspective I thought it was pretty good. I expected more from the movie, so that is why I am slightly disappointed. However it is still one that I think everyone should go and watch.

[Cheese]

so...if TOTF likes it...then we should ALL like it! I think its a conspiracy by the Catholic church...they have paid off all the critics!