[PGT] Flames 4 Tampa 3 in OT

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't think that's how the odds work.

https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_odds

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Here is where I am at with the ruining the tank thing:

Is it good to keep winning right now? Technically, no it would lower our odds to get a top 3 pick if we keep winning. That being said, I'm not going to focus on the negative.

We are winning because our young players are stepping up. Wolf has been great lately and Cooley was tonight. Gridin looks like our most talented forward. Coronato is on fire and playing way better. Frost is stepping up big time since the Kadri trade. Parekh has been night and day compared to the beginning of the season and keeps improving. Bru has looked great. Gross was winning faceoffs and did not look out of place.

It is one thing to be negative when you have a bunch of vets winning us games who aren't in the long term plans. But legit all of our young players are playing great right now. How can I possibly be mad at that?

Things will even out during the rest of the season. We will lose lots of games because of the talent level after all the trades. But I think we can be happy with what we have seen lately.

Excluding the Canucks, who have the tanking down to a science, there are 5 other teams battling for the 2-6 spots.

Over the last 10 games, all 5 of them have played at least to a .500 pace, with the Flames and Hawks getting 10 points, Rangers 11, Jets 12 and the Blues 16.

This is not your normal tank year, these teams, excluding the Canucks, are head and shoulders above the tank teams of the past.

While it’s easy to say that the flames wins are ruining the tank, they are still at the low end of the production of the 5 teams battling for the 2-6 spots.

They seriously need to go on the road.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_odds

Everybody knows that. You are completely discounting the fact that the Flames are only higher than 31st right now because of a tiebreaker, even after an improbable 3-game winning streak.

As usual, you get the math wrong by simply assuming that the odds of finishing 31st have gone from 100% to zero.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

This dude is an absolute treasure

I like how after the first goal against that deflected off of Parekh, Cooley was quick to give him a pat right after to take some of the heat off him. Not that you can hold against Parekh, it's just something that can happen to anyone, but it probably still doesn't feel great when it does happen.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by jg13

Strome has been playing at a .667 PPG pace since joining the team which is 55 pts over a 82 game season.


He never exceeded 41 points in his 4 years in Anaheim. Could be a decent flip next deadline

Olli Määttä also on a 45 point pace (5A in 9GP). Leading the team in TOI. If he keeps playing like this, could be worth quite a bit in a year or two. (He's got two years left in his contract after this. 3.5M makes him really affordable too.)

29 point previous career high.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Grosser?



Grocer?

Tacking "sy" or "er" to the end of every name is peak laziness.

They spend how many hours on planes and busses and that's the best they can come up with.

Need more s### like "the Bison"

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Finishing 2nd last would have given the Flames a better than 50/50 shot at a top 3 pick. Looks like poof, that's gone now.

what on earth? they are tied with Chicago and NY not 5 points up with a bunch of games to go...Chicago was an inch away from winning tonight and got a point. Chill

They arent gonna suck for 5 years though so forget about that...Conroy is too good at his job. Maybe the one of these Vegas firsts will be top 3 lol

[The Cobra]

I’m not sure why many complain when they win.

The players are always going to try and win.

As a fan, we can hope at this stage of the season that they lose, but when they win, it is what it is.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I still want to just talk people off the ledge here. Yes, we have won 3 in a row. But they are not going to keep winning.

Bad teams go on hot streaks all the time for a few games, then suddenly will lose the next 4. I still think the Flames finish 2nd or 3rd last.

There are some pure garbage teams we are racing to the bottom with. We have goalies though. That being said we also have a very tough schedule.

I’m certain we’ll be bottom 5. Also certain we will get a good player. That player will be a piece of the puzzle though. You also have to focus on the rest of the puzzle.

- developing the young players that are here
- maintaining a good group of vets for culture and to mentor
- drafting well in all of the other slots. We have a ton of picks
- watching for potential trades or waiver pickups
- eventual free agents
- teach the young players how to win and don’t let losing become acceptable

This pick will help but there’s a ton of work agead. The games are still interesting to watch. That’s also important so they don’t lose their fanbase

[calumniate]

Well at least Connie did his part with the selling. But now there's healthy competition within the team.. kind of not surprised they're winning

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Goriders

There are some pure garbage teams we are racing to the bottom with.

Other than Vancouver, none of the 4 teams we are in contention with are garbage teams.

All 4, plus the Flames, are playing at a .500 or better rate in their last 10 games.

The Blues have lost 1 game in their last 10, getting 16 points.

Only the Hawks have the same 10 points as us, the other teams have gained on us.

So, over the last 10 games, the Flames have only helped their tank. The last 3 game win streak notwithstanding.

No one, other than the Canucks, are racing to the bottom. At this stage, those 5 teams are chugging somewhat up the standings to some extent. And the Sharks, Kracken and Leafs may soon join the race.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_odds

That says 30% chance of a top 3 pick for second last. You don't add the percentages together for the first three though. They are separate odds for each result.

[Ryan Coke]

No they’re additive in this case. It’s 30% for pick 3, plus the odd for picks 1 and 2 give you a greater than 50% chance of drafting top 3.

[Aarongavey]

Have to think Gridin would go too 10 right now in a re-draft as would Parekh.

[Puppet Guy]

[flame4life]

Here's the thing ... like others have said, players don't play to lose. You don't become a professional hockey player to pick and choose when you want to win or lose based on trying to get a hockey player or draft pick. We traded away some veterans, and some young players are getting a chance to prove themselves with greater opportunities ... Surprise, they are playing good and winning. This a great sign, even though some of you have hurt feelings they are not intentionally losing the games.

No one gave the Islanders a chance at the 1st overall pick when they were not in the bottom five and yet they won the lottery ... because it is a lottery. Why don't we enjoy the last few games of the season, win or lose, and at the end of the season we can all wait with fingers crossed that we get a great pick, which I am confident we will anywhere from 1-5. To think we are going to be higher than the bottom five is kind of silly with our schedule and the fact that the other teams (Vancouver not included) are also trying tow in games with their young players getting chances as well.

Go Flames.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

No you didn't. I said "who's winning games for us right now" not "who's helping us right now". Note the difference. If we were staring to come out of a rebuild, we'd have ELITE players WINNING games with elite plays. Instead we have a bunch of guys playing above their season norms, making contributions, and it's adding up to some wins. That kind of thing can work in short bursts, but isn't sustainable.

The team isn't good. They're just going through a good stretch of hockey against some tired teams. Every team has stretches like this.

So nice of you to put words in my mouth, multiple times misrepresent what I say, then act all coy about it.

Deep breaths friend. There is nothing that can be done now. The players aren't going to not try, the coach isn't going to tell them to mail it in. Just have to live with the results from now on.

They are a low talent roster. The top TOI foward and TOI defenseman in this game were two guys who literally weren't dressing for the teams they played for 3 weeks ago. Good scouting to grab those guys - but this is a team built to tank.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Have to think Gridin would go too 10 right now in a re-draft as would Parekh.

Tough to say
It’s a good draft so far and most in the top 10 have developed well. And you have some guys in the teens that look very good as well like Helenius and Hague
I think he goes top to or maybe 15

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Other than Vancouver, none of the 4 teams we are in contention with are garbage teams.

All 4, plus the Flames, are playing at a .500 or better rate in their last 10 games.

The Blues have lost 1 game in their last 10, getting 16 points.

Only the Hawks have the same 10 points as us, the other teams have gained on us.

So, over the last 10 games, the Flames have only helped their tank. The last 3 game win streak notwithstanding.

No one, other than the Canucks, are racing to the bottom. At this stage, those 5 teams are chugging somewhat up the standings to some extent. And the Sharks, Kracken and Leafs may soon join the race.

Really you couldn't ask for a better scenario for lower end team. It's looking like a team with 75 points can finish 31st overall this year. So you can be in position to get a high pick but you still get to win some games. Fans going to games at the dome they get to see a decently competitive team on home ice, and they're still one of the bottom 3 teams. I'd be fine to have happen again next year, especially if they can keep getting younger guys into bigger roles.

[WhiteTiger]

Woo hoo! Way to go, Flames!

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