[PGT] Blackhawks defeat Flames 4-0

[BACKCHECK!!!]

We may never win again…

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

They've got four or five guys they should be shopping, no time like the present! Only rumours we've really heard have been vague notions about Kadri followed by a quite forceful rebuttal directly quoting ownership. All I want are some signs of life.

It’s a long season. I want them to make the trade when they can get the best return. If that’s now great. If the offers aren’t there wait. Also who are the five? Kadri, Coleman, Andersson. Who else?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Roko

Because it signals a direction. No need to worry about the classic “but we could still make the playoffs if we get a few more bounces” mentality that this org has.

A trade soon would say we aren’t good enough and we are shooting for Gavin

They are in last place with no signs of turning it around
But yeah this org is unlikely to make trades specifically to tank further. They will make a trade if the return is there. Not to tank

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

People want trades to lock in a bad season and get more future assets.

Nobody wants trades to try to improve what's happening on the ice.

A trade doesn't have to happen right now for me, but I'd like some reassurances that the team is actually doing the right thing and shopping guys like Kadri, Andersson, and Coleman right now.

I just hate hearing things like "the Flames will only trade Kadri and Coleman if they ask for a trade" because that's idiotic, management needs to try to control their own destiny here.

The trades done have to happen now, but if no trades happen by the Olympic break then that's a failure by management.

If they make good deals after the olympics why is that failure?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

LOL, all the pro tank people are unhappy they lost.

Where?

I see a lot of people that want the Flames to lean into a bad season that are frustrated that you have obvious organizational mouth pieces like Darren Dreger and Pat Steinberg pouring cold water on the team trading veterans.

I think the fanbase should be frustrated with things like "Murray Edwards doesn't want to trade Kadri" or Steinberg constantly saying "the Flames will only trade Kadri and Coleman if they ask to be moved"

Because it just shows that they aren't being proactive. They should be willing to trade anybody over the age of 24 on this roster.

I also see people frustrated with the deployment of young players in this org and the organizations general aversion to taking risks. A guy like Kuznetsov gets called up and looks great and it stands to raise questions on why guys like Kerins, Stromgren, and Morton can't also get a look.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Huska says Parekh is going to miss some time.

He was probably going to anyways, whether injured or scratched lol.

Hopefully it allows for a two week conditioning stint with the Wranglers.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If they make good deals after the olympics why is that failure?

Why will the good deals only magically materialize after the Olympic break?

If the Flames are proactive here they should be able to get a great return for these assets, especially in a world with a playoff salary cap and way less importance on salary accruals.

The Flames should be able to maximize the trade return for their assets, while also doing it sooner to maximize the position of their own 1st overall pick. Those two things don't have to be mutually exclusive

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Where?

I see a lot of people that want the Flames to lean into a bad season that are frustrated that you have obvious organizational mouth pieces like Darren Dreger and Pat Steinberg pouring cold water on the team trading veterans.

I think the fanbase should be frustrated with things like "Murray Edwards doesn't want to trade Kadri" or Steinberg constantly saying "the Flames will only trade Kadri and Coleman if they ask to be moved"

Because it just shows that they aren't being proactive. They should be willing to trade anybody over the age of 24 on this roster.

I also see people frustrated with the deployment of young players in this org and the organizations general aversion to taking risks. A guy like Kuznetsov gets called up and looks great and it stands to raise questions on why guys like Kerins, Stromgren, and Morton can't also get a look.

I’m curious why you think Stromgren has earned a look?
The other two sure. But not sure what Bill has done

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Yes, Zary is a punching bag right now. What the hell happened there?

I feel like he has done one net drive this season (a goal) and the rest has been perimeter play or getting knocked down.

Yegor is useless everywhere right now. That contract is CC's first big blunder. I doubt we'll need those dollars soon, but you never know.

How did they get so bad, so quickly?

Well Zary is not a hard one to figure out. 2 knee injuries is why he has lost his creative flair. I don't think they caused long term physical limitations but I believe they definently are in the back of his head each time he makes a decision with the puck. I legitimately think he is just worried about getting hurt doing what made him special.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Why will the good deals only magically materialize after the deadline?

If the Flames are proactive here they should be able to get a great return for these assets, especially in a world with a playoff salary cap and way less importance on salary accruals.

Not a lot of big deals happen this time of year. Obviously neither of us know but I just don’t see what the rush is
Make the deal when the price is met

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If they make good deals after the olympics why is that failure?

Runs the risk of devaluing the most important asset: CGY's 1st Round Pick

...granted, it can't get more valuable than it is already, but don't risk it becoming less valuable. It's a battle for last, full-on.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Runs the risk of devaluing the most important asset: CGY's 1st Round Pick



...granted, it can't get more valuable than it is already, but don't risk it.

Sure and I agree this organization isn’t going to make deals just to tank further
So I guess people can be frustrated with that.

[3rd liner]

Horrible performance. So it goes. Foligno is such a washed up AHL face puncher plug though. I hope he catches a slap shot to the face real soon. Always hated him. POS.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I’m curious why you think Stromgren has earned a look?
The other two sure. But not sure what Bill has done

57 points in his last 81 AHL games is nothing to scoff at.

He has good size at 6'3" and 195. He's inconsistent but when he's playing his best he has offensive talent and can play with a bit of an edge too. And he's somebody that I've heard the organization still has high hopes for.

He's played 150 AHL games now and I firmly believe that at some point you need to give guys NHL time to continue their development.

I also think you have a lot of wingers in the organization and it would be good to give him a look before you're forced to make a decision on him.

Personally with a rebuilding team I truly believe the 4th line should be used to give young guys looks. Especially with the farm team in Calgary and waiver exempt guys. Why not give a guy a couple games on the 4th line, let him get some NHL action, and then send them back down.

For a rebuilding team we've had too many guys like Kirkland, Hunt, Rooney, and Lomberg playing too many games. And honestly even though he was a good story last year I think you could say the same thing about Joel Hanley, he probably should have never even been in that position to start with and a younger guy should have had that roster spot to start last season.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

The Wranglers are more interesting than the Flames this year.

Thank god this team doesn't want skill on the roster and would rather keep it on the farm. Gives us a real shot at top lottery odds.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Not a lot of big deals happen this time of year. Obviously neither of us know but I just don’t see what the rush is
Make the deal when the price is met

I don't think the deal has to be made right now, but I think you should be open to making the deal at any time and waiting doesn't really help you.

And really if you're shopping the player proactively then I think this season more than ever before in the salary cap era there will be incentive to make the trades sooner rather than later

1) I'm not sure we've ever seen as much parity in the league as we've seen this season, especially in the eastern conference with all 16 teams above .500 and every team within 3 points of a playoff spot after 15 games.

2) As mentioned the playoff salary cap changes the benefit of players salaries being pro rated and makes retention more important. Teams will now be more willing to acquire players earlier and have them more adjusted to the roster than waiting until the last minute to maximize cap space because their full salary counts in the playoffs anyways

3) The Olympic break will give teams a 3 week period to try to help a player adjust and bring them into their organization which is obviously better than trying to do it during what will be a congested schedule down the stretch

[Dx54]

This guy on OT right now is insufferable

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Dx54

This guy on OT right now is insufferable

Is it Eric Francis?

[Dion]

The defence was horrible!

[thefoss1957]

Knight was solid, and the 'Hawk defense was pretty good at collapsing in front of the net. In the Flames' zone, the 'Hawks seemed to have just a little more jump. Wolf kept your guys in the game, but, finally got cracked. I still don't think the first 'Hawk goal should have counted, but, Knight stopped the Flames' best chances, and, truly, I didn't see any huge threats from your offense.


The Flames' PP was craptastic on their two full chances.


We meet again on the 18th at the UC. Thanks for letting me hang on the GT. I am happy to interact with all my friends here at CP.