[News] Miromanov on waivers UPD: Assigned to Wranglers

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The Flames and Avs have way different objectives. We will see how the season shakes out but maybe the plan was to play prospects instead of Soloyov or Miromanov and neither were in the long term plans. Valimaki is better than Solo and he wasn’t missed much.

The Avs have Girard on IR now. When he comes back Solo will be on the bench. I'm betting they add someone better at the deadline too.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Solovyov could have been a good bottom-pairing defencemen in Calgary for years to come, and although it may not be that valuable, I do think it is important. You need competence out there on the bottom pairing, because at some point they will be caught having to play against top players. Plus, if a top 4 defencemen goes down, now your bottom-pairing guy has to be a play lot more minutes. That could lose you the game.

Hopefully Kuznetsov and Poirier get good looks.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Solovyov could have been a good bottom-pairing defencemen in Calgary for years to come, and although it may not be that valuable, I do think it is important. You need competence out there on the bottom pairing, because at some point they will be caught having to play against top players. Plus, if a top 4 defencemen goes down, now your bottom-pairing guy has to be a play lot more minutes. That could lose you the game.

Hopefully Kuznetsov and Poirier get good looks.

The Flames have 5 younger guys on the farm than Solo and three of them at least are better right now than him IMO. And he was a UFA at the end of this season.

Solo was not competent on the bottom pairing, any more than what they have now. I don’t know why people forget how he played in his time on the big team.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Can't quote you Gio:


i don't mean to be insulting, but it is difficult to argue with you as you will always take the position of the Flames doing the right thing.


First off, don't argue with the "people forget how he played" - that's akin to making the "do you even watch the games bro"? I will simply ignore that comment.


If you go and look at my post history about Solovyov in the last 2 seasons, you will notice I have said basically exactly the same things as Bednar has.


I also see the whole "He was a UFA at season's end" - you don't know that. You don't know if the Flames were just trying to create flexibility. Maybe there was a reason why he was the one getting recalled in the last 2 seasons, right? Maybe the Flames would have re-signed him. You are making assumptions based on your own biases.


Which three younger guys are better than Solovyov? I will beg to differ here. He took a massive step forward last season. I even mentioned that he was the highest risk of a claim given how he took a step forward last season, and that it probably didn't go unnoticed. He got claimed.


Was it some kind of massive failure? No. He had the ceiling of a #4 defencemen IF his development went exceptionally well. He was likely to top out as a a bottom-pairing defencemen, so I won't bother to scream and kick for the miss here. However, it was still a miss. Flames will be fine long-term, but there aren't 3 guys playing better than Solovyov on the farm, just like there wasn't 3 guys playing better than him last season either, or Solo wouldn't have been the one getting recalled.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I also see the whole "He was a UFA at season's end" - you don't know that.

If Solovyov doesn't play 65 NHL games these season, he goes UFA. He wasn't getting 65 games here unless they cleared out a lot of bodies, and he isn't on a pace to play 65 games in Colorado.

He's only in this position because he got to age 25 without ever cracking an NHL roster regularly enough to play 80 career games in the league. He was a 7th-round pick as an overager in 2020; anybody expecting much more than that out of him was betting against the odds.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Was it some kind of massive failure? No. He had the ceiling of a #4 defencemen IF his development went exceptionally well. He was likely to top out as a a bottom-pairing defencemen, so I won't bother to scream and kick for the miss here. However, it was still a miss. Flames will be fine long-term, but there aren't 3 guys playing better than Solovyov on the farm, just like there wasn't 3 guys playing better than him last season either, or Solo wouldn't have been the one getting recalled.

Not everything should or even can be categorized as a hit or a miss.

If we’re being totally honest and agree that this is a guy that might be a #4 IF his development goes exceptionally well, then we also have to agree that 25 year old tweeners that still need a lot to go well just to be above replaceable are on waivers all the time and are very easy to replace.

He’s a year older than our boy Pachal was when we picked him up on waivers for free and Pachal had played more NHL games. We have evidence on our team that if we need to go and get a player like this we can get them for free.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Soloyov likely suits up for Dynamo Minsk next season.

[GioforPM]

A. Solo was a UFA at season’s end absent an unrealistic number of games played or a new contract which would not have been in the Flames’ interest.

B. Solo did not make major strides last year. He was bad in the Flames games he got.

C. I like Bruz, Kuz, Morin and Poirier all a lot more than him. They haven’t been recalled because they are younger. And some would require waivers to be sent back down.

It’s only difficult to argue because you can’t seem to fathom a different opinion. And I obviously don’t argue that the Flames always do the right thing. Otherwise Lomberg wouldn’t be a regular, the powerplay would have different personnel and strategy and Kirkland would be on the farm.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

I think there is middle ground beyond the hyperbole. Miro isn't a bum, and Solo wouldn't be the Flames savior.

Solo happens to be good enough to be depth piece on the best team in the standings but wasn't good enough for the worst team. That can be hard to swallow.

I think retaining players you draft and develop is important so that you don't need to go the UFA route for the Bean's, or Rooney's, or trade for the Okhotiuk's

Also, just because Solo could be a group 6 UFA at seasons end doesn't mean he would have. Retaining him gives you the option to sign him. If Miro wasn't in the long term plans, then a better decision would be to keep the player who may or may not be, which is better than the player who isn't.

it's important to make good decisions at all levels, not just the impact moves, but also the depth moves

Its not that simple...by this logic he wasn't good enough for the Sharks, Hawks, Pens, ect. who all passed on him for free. The Avs are very top heavy and at the cap...they can play any league min warm body 10 mins a night and get away with it.

[Strange Brew]

I think the Flames wanted Solo to get picked up and that's why they did it when they did. I'm sure they ultimately knew that he and Miro were going down and didn't like the idea of 2 more one way contracts on the farm.