[News] Mitch Love under NHL investigation

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Buff

Curiosity got the better of me and I had to google Mitch Love's ex girlfriends and got nothing (don't pay attention to the AI overview, it is wrong). However I discovered that his wife's name is Joy... Joy Love. That's awesome!

I can't not help thinking of their children.

[CroFlames]

So no indication of what took place then with Mitch Love?

[#-3]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

Don't mean to beat a dead horse, but that is the first time I've ever heard that. In the times that I have asked for references from former colleagues, or have provided references, it's with colleagues who will advocate for me and vice versa. Isn't that the whole point of providing references? Hell, Linkedin even has a public recommendations section for this exact purpose.
If anything, just a little surprised at that comment as it's never come up in my career ever.

Back to the Mitch Love issue, knowing only what we know now, IMO kind of in bad form for whoever provided the "negative reference" to do so during a job recruitment process. If it is worthy of league scrutiny, why didn't they present it to the NHL before?

You haven't heard of it, must not be a common?

There is a distinction here, as you mentioned collogues, and I mentioned managers representing the organization. Someone asked here he would have gotten the idea that there was legal liability, I said it wouldn't be uncommon for an employer to give him that impression especially if he was a manager being asked for references, mostly because big organizations are risk adverse and even the threat of minor successful litigation is something to be avoided. Then some people needed to win an argument I wasn't having with them, saying there was no legal risk. Unless they are trying to state that this isn't a common practice, because then I am happy to argue the point with them, it is a common practice many people here will tell you that their employer has advised them not to give good or bad references, just to validate employment history. That is not a value judgement on if it is a legitimate legal risk or not, just stating the fact that it is common practice.

Back to Mitch Love, this thread is going to be hard to keep on the rails until real news comes out, so far it's been a lot of, ifs rather than whats.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I can't not help thinking of their children.

I hope they don't name any one "Richard".

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Buff

I hope they don't name any one "Richard".

One of the best MLB names:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ovelri01.shtml

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by #-3

You haven't heard of it, must not be a common?

There is a distinction here, as you mentioned collogues, and I mentioned managers representing the organization. Someone asked here he would have gotten the idea that there was legal liability, I said it wouldn't be uncommon for an employer to give him that impression especially if he was a manager being asked for references, mostly because big organizations are risk adverse and even the threat of minor successful litigation is something to be avoided. Then some people needed to win an argument I wasn't having with them, saying there was no legal risk. Unless they are trying to state that this isn't a common practice, because then I am happy to argue the point with them, it is a common practice many people here will tell you that their employer has advised them not to give good or bad references, just to validate employment history. That is not a value judgement on if it is a legitimate legal risk or not, just stating the fact that it is common practice.

Back to Mitch Love, this thread is going to be hard to keep on the rails until real news comes out, so far it's been a lot of, ifs rather than whats.

When I meant colleagues, I meant managers, inclusive of c-suite executives representing the company, as well as people I have managed. Never had an issue.
As an example, if for some reason you had a great relationship with *insert your favorite CEO*, and they were happy to provide a reference, you think their only going to confirm dates of employment and title? Give me a break - a lot of business relationships are based off of goodwill you develop with people within your work space.

My experience is of course anecdotal, but just pointing out that it's the first time I've heard of this practice working in corporate for a decent amount of time across the continent. I'm not here to argue if it's right/wrong or the legality of it, just highlighting it as an interesting and new fact I learned today.

Edit: Last i'm going to comment on this. Back to the Mitch Love issue...

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

One of the best MLB names:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ovelri01.shtml

Wow that's impressive.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

One of the best MLB names:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ovelri01.shtml

Not sure that beats this guy


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Trickle

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

When I meant colleagues, I meant managers, inclusive of c-suite executives representing the company, as well as people I have managed. Never had an issue.
As an example, if for some reason you had a great relationship with *insert your favorite CEO*, and they were happy to provide a reference, you think their only going to confirm dates of employment and title? Give me a break - a lot of business relationships are based off of goodwill you develop with people within your work space.

My experience is of course anecdotal, but just pointing out that it's the first time I've heard of this practice working in corporate for a decent amount of time across the continent. I'm not here to argue if it's right/wrong or the legality of it, just highlighting it as an interesting and new fact I learned today.

Edit: Last i'm going to comment on this. Back to the Mitch Love issue.

There are many large corporations who have a policy that references are not provided, other than confirming some basic factual things.

And that's been pretty standard for some time.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Buff

Curiosity got the better of me and I had to google Mitch Love's ex girlfriends and got nothing (don't pay attention to the AI overview, it is wrong). However I discovered that his wife's name is Joy... Joy Love. That's awesome!

Originally Posted by D as in David

I can't not help thinking of their children.

Please tell me they named a daughter Helen.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Civil law. The reason almost every sophisticated organization has implemented this policy is to avoid getting sued for defamation by former employees.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'm well aware of civil law .

... are you? Because it doesn't actually mean "the law relating to suing people". That's tort law. Civil law refers to the type of legal system they have in Quebec.

[Shazam]

In Quebec they have butter torts.

[topfiverecords]

Have any of you lawyers taken the Nanaimo Bar exam?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

... are you? Because it doesn't actually mean "the law relating to suing people". That's tort law. Civil law refers to the type of legal system they have in Quebec.

Well I know at least one of us has appeared in a Quebec court as counsel.

Civil law can however, simply refer to private law. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...lish/civil-law It doesn't necessarily mean Civil CODE law, which is indeed the system they have in Quebec, much of Europe and Louisian. Hwever, it really doesn't matter, because the test for defamation is pretty much the same.

BTW, the "law related to suing people" isn't just tort law however. You can sue in contract or in some cases under statute, even in common law jurisdictions.

Where should I send the bill?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I have literally given fulsome references when asked and I am at a law firm. And I wouldn't hesitate to give a negative comment if I felt it was honest.

If I was the Chicago Blackhawks and someone phoned about Brad Aldrich, should I just give dates of employment and position?

No, because a law was broken. I was pretty clear about that. They actually gave that guy a letter of recommendation -- when he should have been reported to the police.

I was talking about "something greasy but not illegal, immoral or actionable."

[Locke]

I love speculating on speculation, the sky is the limit!

Maybe they discovered he was a Lizard-Man and that he was stealing paperclips and stationary? They let it go for a while but when his Kleptomania escalated to full-size notepads that was the final straw!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

No, because a law was broken. I was pretty clear about that. They actually gave that guy a letter of recommendation -- when he should have been reported to the police.

I was talking about "something greasy but not illegal, immoral or actionable."

I think I read the letter of recommendation thing was actually not true - but they definitely didn't warn anyone .

As for laws being broken - well, probably, though all that resulted were two lawsuits years afterward (the second one was by a high school student who got assaulted afterwards, and for some reason it was dismissed). Aldrich wasn't charged with anything.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think I read the letter of recommendation thing was actually not true - but they definitely didn't warn anyone .

As for laws being broken - well, probably, though all that resulted were two lawsuits years afterward (the second one was by a high school student who got assaulted afterwards, and for some reason it was dismissed). Aldrich wasn't charged with anything.

Oh that's wild. For some reason I thought he was in jail.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Oh that's wild. For some reason I thought he was in jail.

To be clear - he went to jail in 2014 (for 9 months only) for his assault on the high school kid. But he wasn't charged in relation to his time with the Hawks.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Ped

Not sure that beats this guy


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Trickle

There’s always Dick Assman from the Letterman show as well.