[News] The Athletic releases list of worst contracts (we’re #1!)

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Caboose

Petterson is 6 years younger than Huberdeau. I'm sure that carries some weight in the model.

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Petterson also played 64 games to Huberdeaus 81

[schmaaadm]

Hey, at least we are first in something!!

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

'limited in what it captures' makes it flawed - by definition

Can you point to some analytics models that capture chemistry and character? If not, does that mean they're all flawed?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Can you point to some analytics models that capture chemistry and character? If not, does that mean they're all flawed?

How about we start by asking for an analytics model that tries to capture defensive play? Because that's where Nurse is egregiously bad, and how he costs his team games.

Never mind intangibles; this particular model doesn't even try to capture all the tangibles. It seems to be based entirely on offensive production per dollar of the contract, allowing for probable trends due to the player's age.

[Geeoff]

Hmm I think Bennett's deal is going to be about par for a 2nd line player

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

How about we start by asking for an analytics model that tries to capture defensive play? Because that's where Nurse is egregiously bad, and how he costs his team games.

Never mind intangibles; this particular model doesn't even try to capture all the tangibles. It seems to be based entirely on offensive production per dollar of the contract, allowing for probable trends due to the player's age.

Dom's system does capture more than just offensive production. It tries to assess a player's overall impact on a game (or to be more exact, on a the number of wins in a season). For example, Jacob Slavin rates very highly in his model.

I'm not a huge analytics guy. But they do give some insight in player value. And every one of the models has limitations - including the ones every NHL team employs people full-time to formulate.

[paley01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Can you point to some analytics models that capture chemistry and character? If not, does that mean they're all flawed?

"All models are wrong, but some are useful"

-George Box, British statistician

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

I don't know what y'all are complaining about... from my perspective that Nurse contract is amazing. 10/10, would have Oilers re-sign.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by paley01

"All models are wrong, but some are useful"

-George Box, British statistician

From my perspective, a model that says Bennett's contract is one of the 10 worst and Nurse's isn't… deserves to be questioned in a very unfriendly manner.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

It's a lot of money for the regular season production that Bennett provides. The Panthers also had one of the best value deals in the league as well in Reinhart.

The author of this article was on the Athletic podcast today and essentially said that if you take Reinhart and Bennett together it's a value overall for Florida so they aren't hurting themselves with the contract.

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How many Stanley cups does the Panthers win without Sam Bennett?

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It's not flawed. It's limited in what it captures, and the author is up-front about those limitations.

The Flames likely have their own statistical model for cap value. It has limitations too. Doesn't mean it's "flawed."

We were one of the franchises that used cap friendly...

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

We were one of the franchises that used cap friendly...

And? They got bought by an NHL team so only that team could use it

[Geeoff]

I wish that Huberdeau did not deserve to be on this list but he definitely does.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

How many Stanley cups does the Panthers win without Sam Bennett?

Well, they only went 2/3 with him. So the way I see it, they could have gone 3/3, 2/3, 1/3, or 0/3. No way of knowing. With three shots, likely at least one. They're no Oilers.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

How many Stanley cups does the Panthers win without Sam Bennett?

That was under a cheaper contract. Not his current contract.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I wish that Huberdeau did not deserve to be on this list but he definitely does.

The contract is awful, we have yet to see the worst of it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I wish that Huberdeau did not deserve to be on this list but he definitely does.

I dont think anyone has made the contention that he doesnt, he absolutely does and we all wish he didnt. And yet here we are.

Its still a bogus list though.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That was under a cheaper contract. Not his current contract.

Just pointing out that's why he got paid. Is it worth it. There's a good chance Florida doesn't win either cup without Sam Bennett.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

And? They got bought by an NHL team so only that team could use it

The chances of there being a big statistical model for managing the cap are low is what I'm alluding too.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I wish that Huberdeau did not deserve to be on this list but he definitely does.

its the omission of Nurse

I wouldn't trade Huberdeau for Nurse