[Trade] Leafs acquire Brandon Carlo (15% retained) for Minten, 1st, 4th

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Difficult to overstate how poorly this deal has aged already. Who exactly did Tre think he was getting?

Just like the Hamonic trade ... except worse.

Carlo (when healthy) has always been a great 4-6 complementary defense, to protect an offensive partner. First, make sure that you have an offensive partner that needs protecting, and then trade and pay your Carlo accordingly.

A 2nd, but make sure he's not making more than $3M/per. Anything more would be crazy!
Like reasonable people.

[Locke]

This trade is essentially the personification of this meme:



Except replace Benning with Treliving.

Other than the fact that Treliving probably knew exactly how much he was paying and for exactly who and either just didnt care or genuinely, in his heart of hearts, thought it was a steal of a deal.

Don Sweeney is probably still laughing his ass off. Downing a Bahstahn Lagar and lighting up a cigar over this deal.

[cam_calderon]

Dunno if Brad survives the offseason if they miss the playoffs. Laughton trade, Carlo trade, getting Roy back for Marner.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Dunno if Brad survives the offseason if they miss the playoffs. Laughton trade, Carlo trade, getting Roy back for Marner.

I dont know man. There is something foul in the state of Denmark... Toronto. I feel like Tre might have been a Nepotism hire so...he may be safe.

Then again...he is steering the 'Good Ship Toronto' straight into an iceberg that everyone else can see coming from miles away...you can only get away with that for so long.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont know man. There is something foul in the state of Denmark... Toronto. I feel like Tre might have been a Nepotism hire so...he may be safe.

Then again...he is steering the 'Good Ship Toronto' straight into an iceberg that everyone else can see coming from miles away...you can only get away with that for so long.

Shanny hired Brad, didn't he? Did they have a prior connection?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Shanny hired Brad, didn't he? Did they have a prior connection?

Nothing happens in a vacuum in Tarantah...I think Tre's dad had some pull on that gig.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Locke

Nothing happens in a vacuum in Tarantah...I think Tre's dad had some pull on that gig.

Team saving money on meals with free pizza.

[Ped]

Treliving was bad in Calgary and is so far bad in Toronto but I still maintain the Marner situation was more on Shanahan than him, and getting anything at all for him was a minor miracle.

[bluejays]

More than anything about the Carlo deal is the protection on the pick. Tre somehow didn't learn and put only a top 5 protection on it. Mind you I don't think anyone seen this type of fall happening so quickly but surely no other team does only a top 5 clause these days. This guy always loved dealing 1sts for mediocrity.

Anyway, truly the Leafs aren't that bad a team on paper. But on too many nights their stars put in mediocre efforts and just don't care. I've said it before and will say it again, Matthews gets a free pass from essentially everyone for taking way too many nights off, and never getting his hands dirty in the slot. He's an amazing talent who could be so much more but refuses to be more aggressive. They had too much of that with Marner and him, but not replacing Marner with more of a physical scorer really hurt them.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Dunno if Brad survives the offseason if they miss the playoffs. Laughton trade, Carlo trade, getting Roy back for Marner.

If they miss the playoffs I would imagine both he and Berube would be shown the door. That's too far a fall to excuse for a 108 point team that really only lost one player in the offseason. The reality is that the team has become less talented under Treliving from top to bottm and Berube isn't getting the best out of the players. The Leafs are in such a bad place they literally can't make trades because they have nothing to offer in quality prospects or high draft picks (the highest pick they have coming over the next two years is a 2nd round pick in 2027). Simply a disaster, and not far removed from how he left the Flames.

[indes]

"Older, slower, less talented team with no assets? What are the chances that won't work out two times in a row"
-Treliving in his interview, probably

[CalgaryFan1988]

Right now Boston would be picking 10th with the Toronto pick. Minten has 13 Goals and 26 Points in 54 GP.

[SuperMatt18]

It's the Hamonic trade all over again.

Overpay for a RH defensive dman that doesn't do a whole lot because they have a good contract, and then give up an early pick the following year that ends up being top 12

[The Fonz]

And the 1st rounder only has top-5 protection. Yeesh.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If they miss the playoffs I would imagine both he and Berube would be shown the door. That's too far a fall to excuse for a 108 point team that really only lost one player in the offseason. The reality is that the team has become less talented under Treliving from top to bottm and Berube isn't getting the best out of the players. The Leafs are in such a bad place they literally can't make trades because they have nothing to offer in quality prospects or high draft picks (the highest pick they have coming over the next two years is a 2nd round pick in 2027). Simply a disaster, and not far removed from how he left the Flames.

You can say only lost one player, but when that player is the best on the team and a top winger in the NHL, that is significant.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

You can say only lost one player, but when that player is the best on the team and a top winger in the NHL, that is significant.

Florida lost Barkov and Tkachuk to injuries and still had a lesser drop.

[PeteMoss]

The problem was letting that player leave for nothing. If he wasn't going to re-sign they should have moved him before his NMC kicked in. Basically the Gaudreau free agency over again, although at least with Gaudreau there was a least a chance he would re-sign. Marner was obviously leaving.

[gvitaly]

I thought it was a great deal. It drove the price for D-men way up, so we could get a much better package for Andersson than what we got for Hanifin.

Tre misread the cap once more. He was so used to a flat cap world, that he overvalued the cap savings once again. As others have mentioned it's very similar to the Hamonic trade, but not just. The Monahan trade really shows how much Tre overvalues contract efficiency.

On the other hand, I do think that the Marner situation was beyond Tre's control, and he did give the Leafs their best shot at a cup last year when he brought in Tanev. Tre couldn't really re-sign Marner before his NMC kicked in, and trading one of your top wingers the moment you get to the organization is an impossible decision.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Difficult to overstate how poorly this deal has aged already. Who exactly did Tre think he was getting?

Just like the Hamonic trade ... except worse.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's the Hamonic trade all over again.

Overpay for a RH defensive dman that doesn't do a whole lot because they have a good contract, and then give up an early pick the following year that ends up being top 12

It kind of feels like Tre wanted to get something done that TD, couldn't get an actual impact piece so over paid on Carlo when he should have just left the store instead.

[Calgary4LIfe]

This is why I REALLY wanted an Andersson to Toronto trade for their 2028 1st round pick, even if it was protected. I see them crashing down with nothing to really save them. Players getting old, Mathews contract winding down and probably not wanting to stay there any longer (guessing here - but I wouldn't!), and a long history of deficit spending in terms of picks and prospects.


I think the Toronto scouting department has been fairly good - they seem to hit on players even with the deficit spending there. To be fair, the Marner fiasco isn't all on Treliving.


Sure, Treliving could have traded Marner the instant that he took the GM job - Marner's trade clause didn't quite kick in yet (can't remember if it was a week's or a month's window until it did). However, that would have been quite the move to make for a GM that just got hired, right? No way that was in the cards, and I am sure Shanahan would have vetoed it anyway and fired Treliving right away for even suggesting it!


However, Treliving didn't do anything to make it better either, right? He could have perhaps sat down with Marner and his camp and tried to work something out, build that relationship. Had Rasmus not played ball and agreed to contract extension talk, there would have been no push for Vegas to improve their offer from whatever it was. The Hanifin situation was a learning experience. Only Zadorov was a 'difficult' one - everyone else I feel Conroy handled well. That's part of the GM's duties I think. So while I don't think Marner's situation was really Treliving's fault, he didn't do anything to repair that relationship either, causing Marner to just say: "Screw it". The fans certainly didn't help things either.


The Laughton and Carlo trades were just bad - first round picks on guys lower in the lineup.


That's what I hope Conroy never does. I wouldn't make it a rule necessarily, as you never know when something good falls into your lap, but I would hope that he avoids trading picks/prospects for lower-lineup players. Certainly not 1st round picks!


The more picks you trade away, the more picks you need to trade in the future since your organization is no longer hitting on prospects as often that turn into players, creating a dependent cycle upon which you BETTER become a good drafting team or you will experience long-term pain in righting that ship. Pittsburgh is in it right now - they are unwilling to trade to supplant their team right now simply because they are under 'austerity measures' in righting their ship, even with an aging - but highly effective - Crosby and Malkin combo (and with a decent position in the standings too).


Hopefully the Flames are always prioritizing the draft. Sure, if a good move falls into your lap, obviously take it. Top 6 players that move the needle? Sure. Top 4 defencemen that move the needle? Sure. Not guys who 'might' move the needle, and especially not stop-gaps. Treliving traded so much draft capital here on stop-gaps and players that didn't work out, and he continues to do that in Toronto. Now this year, they are in a big bind - likely not making the playoffs unless Treliving improves the roster.. but boy oh boy they really can't afford it.


I think Treliving gets fired, along with Berube most likely. Makes you wonder who the heck would go in there next season. No good GM would want that job for a couple of years I would think. I bet they will promote either Lane Lambert to head coach, or promote Gruden (from the Marlies). Good luck on finding a good GM to take over - if I was a GM looking for a landing spot, that's the last place I would want to go to right now. With the outstanding picks and conditions on those picks, the Leafs have no choice except to do their best to hover. They can't attract great UFAs right now I think, they can't continue trading picks, and they can't sell and tear it down for fear of the drama in handing over a top 5 pick next year to the Bruins. Can you imagine being the GM here in Calgary who ends up having to give up a top 5 pick to the Oilers? Now imagine doing so with the media that Toronto have.


Tough gig there. Treliving always presented himself well in Calgary, so I am not going to gloat and throw shade at him. However, after leaving Calgary in a bit of a mess, it is difficult to feel sorry for him either, especially as he has simply continued to make the exact same mistakes there as he did here, regardless of reasons.