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Old 12-20-2024, 11:40 AM   #101
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I still think they are going to regress pretty hard this season or next especially when the goalies slump.
That may happen, but one of the things the team does have going for them is...everyone is fighting for jobs. Jobs that are there for the taking.

Thats pretty good motivation.
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His whole game has improved. He even looks a little faster. It might be short lived but enjoy it while it's happenening.
Probably confirmation bias but he now seems to be winning board battles and gaining possession in those situations. First couple of years it felt like he just lost the puck every time there was a small skirmish around the boards.
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I'm not there yet.

The Flames picked up 11 points in the first 6 games, and have earned 26 points in the last 33.

That's a .394 win percentage and a pace for the bottom ten that's been established since mid October.

The points they've earned, they've earned. And hacking out sections to make a point is poor form.

But when it's the first 6 games, and then everything else it's less selective and this isn't a winning team for the majority of the season.

I'm not writing off bottom ten yet.
The math doesn't add up here.

Since those 11 points in the first 6 games, it would be 26 in the last 27. Not 33. That's still pretty much a .500 pace.

They're 10-11-6 since those first 6 games.
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I still think they are going to regress pretty hard this season or next especially when the goalies slump.
There’s no way they don’t regress.

A) the goaltending has been good - it hasn’t been THAT good.

B) They’re a $70M team with no star rookie skaters - they need ace level netminding or they don’t stand a chance against a team with an extra $18M worth of players.

I recall Dougie Hamilton after the Hurricanes lost to the Lightning in the playoffs saying “we lost to team $20M over the cap”.

That’s 2-4 extra studs throughout your lineup. It makes a huge difference
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That may happen, but one of the things the team does have going for them is...everyone is fighting for jobs. Jobs that are there for the taking.

Thats pretty good motivation.
This is very true and IMHO is an advantage over a bad team is through its window and saddled with a group of aging stars on large contracts that have to play and eat a lot of minutes to justify their salary.

There's only one huge contract here and not much top end, so lines are rolled pretty evenly and a lot of guys can be moved around and displaced by youth pushing for jobs. So you have a pretty fluid roster where guys have to fight to keep jobs and young players are fighting to take them.

The result is a greater effort output most nights than say a former contender that's in its twilight and stomaching the back years of long contracts.
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Posters have been pegging a "great regression" forever but it's never come.

Good luck with counting on a stud like Wolf to actually suck consistently enough to support this bottom feeder dream.

Connie may not have the best talent here, but they hand picked guys that care. That usually is enough to keep the bottoming out at bay.

It usually requires bad or aging players on bloated contracts who don't care to accomplish that feat.
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That may happen, but one of the things the team does have going for them is...everyone is fighting for jobs. Jobs that are there for the taking.

Thats pretty good motivation.
It’s good motivation, but motivation can only do so much.

A guy’s ceiling is what it is in a lot of cases, and no amount of conditioning and weights will help him think the game faster or turn his hands from stone to silk.

But sufficiently motivated men do interesting things, if Breaking Bad is any indication. And for a rebuilding team, all we can ask is that they try hard and be interesting.

Losing happens.

Boring is the true enemy.
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I will also add that if the team is REALLY going to bottom out, it is more important next year and the year after, because of the top end talent available in those drafts.

There's some appealing guys at the top of this draft, including a number of centers, but it is a more average draft at the top end.
Could be, but no one really knows. There are future Hall of Famers in every draft.
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Posters have been pegging a "great regression" forever but it's never come.

Good luck with counting on a stud like Wolf to actually suck consistently enough to support this bottom feeder dream.

Connie may not have the best talent here, but they hand picked guys that care. That usually is enough to keep the bottoming out at bay.
"forever but it's never come"

It's December. The league gets tougher every month. Check out their schedule after the 4 Nations Cup - it's murder for 6 straight weeks.

Also, since the 4-0-0 start, they have been on an 82 point pace, which is usually the cutoff line for 10th last.

One small losing skid of 3 or 4 games, and playoff talk is over. They would slide right into the 6-13 from the bottom group.

Instead of saying "it's never come", I would be more inclined to say they continue to walk along the precipice.
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"forever but it's never come"

It's December. The league gets tougher every month. Check out their schedule after the 4 Nations Cup - it's murder for 6 straight weeks.

Also, since the 4-0-0 start, they have been on an 82 point pace, which is usually the cutoff line for 10th last.

One small losing skid of 3 or 4 games, and playoff talk is over. They would slide right into the 6-13 from the bottom group.

Instead of saying "it's never come", I would be more inclined to say they continue to walk along the precipice.
They'll straddle the line but won't go over it. Just as they came back to earth after the start, they'll push back and win a few just as it looks like they're entering the lottery group discussion.

'Tis the way of this club, regardless of the roster it ices.

As for these 'murderer's row' stretches, when have they not risen to the occasion? If I recall correctly one of their best stretches last season was when they had the 13 games of death in november or whatever it was labelled.

A stretch against terrible teams would concern me more. They get up for the good ones.
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They'll straddle the line but won't go over it. Just as they came back to earth after the start, they'll push back and win a few just as it looks like they're entering the lottery group discussion.

'Tis the way of this club, regardless of the roster it ices.

As for these 'murderer's row' stretches, when have they not risen to the occasion? If I recall correctly one of their best stretches last season was when they had the 13 games of death in november or whatever it was labelled.

A stretch against terrible teams would concern me more. They get up for the good ones.
Probably, but what’re you gonna do, leave?
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Probably, but what’re you gonna do, leave?
I can pretend to.
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I can pretend to.
You can try.

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This sucker punch was enough to get Lucic a two-game suspension. Discuss.

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This sucker punch was enough to get Lucic a two-game suspension. Discuss.

That was the first thing that came to my mind last night and was going to post this, so thanks.

5 and a game for Lucic, followed by a 2 game suspension. For throwing a glove-on punch.
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All four officials try to say they didn't see it but if you watch the replay a linesman comes in right away to prevent anyone from going after Pinto.

They're bull####ting to cover their incompetence again.
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You can't see what you're not looking for, is my explanation of it.
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Coronato is on a 47 point pace as a rookie.

Him and Zary aren't just NHLers, but pretty good ones at that.

EDIT: I didn't realize Coronato played 34 games last season. I thought it was way less than that! So not a rookie.
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