[Trade] NYR trade Kakko to Seattle for Borgen, 2025 3rd, 2025 6th

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think the reality of the return in this trade is that New York valued Borgen a lot more than most on here would (or you could argue should).

After moving Trouba (RH 6'3" 212) I think they wanted another big RH dman to slot into the spot he vacated and Borgen was that guy (RH, 6'3, 205)

Yeah, that plus the GMs in the league valued Kakko a lot less than a lot of people on this board.

Anyway, if NYR wanted that particular kind of player, Calgary has to give Pachal.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Drury is flat out sewering that franchise and sounds like he is running things like a 3rd world dictator.





So its all about teamwork and doing things to be successful as an organization .....except for those who dont put the jersey on. If you are one of those, you are not worthy of even talking to players and coaches outside the parameters of the team, and if you do...you are fired.

Yikes.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl...ko/ar-AA1waGx5

That looks terrible, but it might have more to do with MSG/Dolan than it does Drury. Seems to be coming right from the top and affecting all of those franchises.

[Ped]

Saw a bunch of stuff on twitter recently about how the players hate Drury, even before the Trouba stuff. No idea as to the veracity, though.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Wow... basically forcing the players to act like a-holes and not mingle with 'the help'

That's some grade A toxicity right there.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, that plus the GMs in the league valued Kakko a lot less than a lot of people on this board.

Anyway, if NYR wanted that particular kind of player, Calgary has to give Pachal.

That's fine if Pachal and pick is the cost. I think it's a miss to not have landed this considering the return and obvious ability to feed Kakko more playing time.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

That's fine if Pachal and pick is the cost. I think it's a miss to not have landed this considering the return and obvious ability to feed Kakko more playing time.

Except there's no saying they don't prefer Borgen v Pachal. Plus there's just not as much room on the wing going forward as you think.

Huberdeau/Coleman/Pospisil/Coronato/Sharangovich/Pelletier plus Mantha on IR, plus Kerins, Honzek and Klapka in the minors, plus Basha, Misa, Battaglia in junior.

[Enoch Root]

So in the course of a week, Drury trades Trouba + Kakko for Vaakanainen + Borgen + 3rd + 4th + 5th

Does that sound like the moves of a GM of a team that is fully in their cup window?

For Trouba + Kakko, I might be willing to give up Andersson (if I thought I could flip Trouba at the deadline for a decent return)

[jayswin]

What? Andersson for Trouba + Kakko would be an absolute disaster of a return for Conroy?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So in the course of a week, Drury trades Trouba + Kakko for Vaakanainen + Borgen + 3rd + 4th + 5th

Does that sound like the moves of a GM of a team that is fully in their cup window?

For Trouba + Kakko, I might be willing to give up Andersson (if I thought I could flip Trouba at the deadline for a decent return)

Thats a terrible offer for Andersson. Both declining assets? Better get 2 unprotected 1sts with that.

[The Fonz]

That's the kind of trade that gets a GM on the next-to-be-fired list.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by jayswin

What? Andersson for Trouba + Kakko would be an absolute disaster of a return for Conroy?

A reasonable return for Andersson would be 1st + 2nd + 2nd

I would say Kakko is worth a 1st, and before this trade, I would have guessed he would have been worth a little more than that.

The question is - what is Trouba worth? And frankly, I thought he was worth more than what they got for him, and I would think you could get a couple 2nds in a trade.

That was all before these two trades of course, where both players returned less than I would have expected. (but I blame Drury for that)

[Enoch Root]

My only point was that Drury did not get good returns for these players

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

A reasonable return for Andersson would be 1st + 2nd + 2nd

I would say Kakko is worth a 1st, and before this trade, I would have guessed he would have been worth a little more than that.

The question is - what is Trouba worth? And frankly, I thought he was worth more than what they got for him, and I would think you could get a couple 2nds in a trade.

That was all before these two trades of course, where both players returned less than I would have expected. (but I blame Drury for that)

Nah, I think you're a little out of touch on valuations that's all. Trouba + Kakko for Andersson would be a sure fire fail of a return before or after what they actually returned, like not even close. Instant firing for any GM that would do that.

[Royle9]

So it sounds like Calgary didn’t submit any formal offer, this because Drury was in an absolute rush to just get rid of him.

Calgary was more inclined to swap young forwards, likely Pelletier was the guy the flames were looking to swap, with a later round pick included.

However they talked weeks ago more seriously and kept in touch but it sounds like Drury pulled the trigger before a lot of interested teams could formalize anything. That would or I would assume they think the world of Borgen?? Doubt it though.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Royle9

So it sounds like Calgary didn’t submit any formal offer, this because Drury was in an absolute rush to just get rid of him.

Calgary was more inclined to swap young forwards, likely Pelletier was the guy the flames were looking to swap, with a later round pick included.

However they talked weeks ago more seriously and kept in touch but it sounds like Drury pulled the trigger before a lot of interested teams could formalize anything. That would or I would assume they think the world of Borgen?? Doubt it though.

On Barn Burner today, Dreger was mostly speculating but said that Francis has a reputation for not playing games. Based on reputation, Dreger speculated that Francis likely told Drury that if he heard any leaks in the media about the offer or if any other GMs contacted him to say that the offer is being shopped around, that he'd take the offer off the table. Dreger said that sort of thing happens a lot. Based on that, it would be quite possible that Conroy never had an opportunity to match or beat the offer.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

On Barn Burner today, Dreger was mostly speculating but said that Francis has a reputation for not playing games. Based on reputation, Dreger speculated that Francis likely told Drury that if he heard any leaks in the media about the offer or if any other GMs contacted him to say that the offer is being shopped around, that he'd take the offer off the table. Dreger said that sort of thing happens a lot. Based on that, it would be quite possible that Conroy never had an opportunity to match or beat the offer.

Yep, matches what I’ve heard.
That would make sense.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

On Barn Burner today, Dreger was mostly speculating but said that Francis has a reputation for not playing games. Based on reputation, Dreger speculated that Francis likely told Drury that if he heard any leaks in the media about the offer or if any other GMs contacted him to say that the offer is being shopped around, that he'd take the offer off the table. Dreger said that sort of thing happens a lot. Based on that, it would be quite possible that Conroy never had an opportunity to match or beat the offer.

Are you saying that we're all up in arms because Conroy missed out on a nonexistent opportunity? That would never happen on CP, would it? Posters here never get outraged when incomplete information leads to the wrong conclusions.

[Toonage]

Rhett compared it to the Phaneuf deal. Thats one scenario I didn't see coming given the recent demotion and ice time for Kakko. I suspect he (Drury) could do better and if Francis said the deal is off if he shops it, fine the deal is off.

Doesn't add up to me. But I'll trust Dreger on this I guess.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Drury is flat out sewering that franchise and sounds like he is running things like a 3rd world dictator.





So its all about teamwork and doing things to be successful as an organization .....except for those who dont put the jersey on. If you are one of those, you are not worthy of even talking to players and coaches outside the parameters of the team, and if you do...you are fired.

Yikes.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl...ko/ar-AA1waGx5

This doesn't surprise me in the least. Chris Drury displayed some of the poorest character I've ever seen in a pro in his brief time with the Flames. He hated it in Calgary, and he made it known with his play, his demeanor, and even his words within the organization. He was a me-first kind of guy, and didn't understand that a team is only strong when everyone is pulling on the rope in the same direction. To do that, you need to have strong relationships throughout the entire organization, and create an atmosphere where everyone buys in, almost family-like. Drury never understood this, and it's obvious to me he still doesn't. He always carried himself with a smug self-sense of excellence, but he never really was that great.

Glad to see him lose his mind, and consequently, his reputation as a competent hockey mind. I never felt he was deserving of the GM chair in the first place.

[Monahammer]

well, better to sharpen the pencil and put a more serious offer sooner, if anything is to be learned of this scenario. Probably unimportant in the long run, but it would have been nice to give someone like Kakko a shot here.